Adrian Peterson was great. But was he better than LaDainian Tomlinson?

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Just wanted to interrupt this debate to say that this was a terrible analogy to LT vs AP.

AP was a better running back than Ryan was a pitcher, and to dumb down AP's greatness as to just having a better "fastball" than LT is reaching hard AF.

His job through his career was to run, not catch or be "well-rounded". He did the RUNNING part of being a RUNNING back better than LT did. He was never asked to be an all purpose guy but I'm sure he could have been a receiving back if he played with the personnel that allowed him to do so in spurts (IE like LT did with Drew fukking Brees and Phillip fukking Rivers).

They were both great players. Stop being weird just because you disagree about AP getting as many votes as he is.

LOL

The dude said LT was great at everything but AP was great at one thing.

How is that not similar to a pitcher who is great at everything and a pitcher who is great at one pitch?

I didn't call AD a one trick pony. (That's what most MLB relievers are)

Why you so mad?

 

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LOL

The dude said LT was great at everything but AP was great at one thing.

How is that not similar to a pitcher who is great at everything and a pitcher who is great at one pitch?

I didn't call AD a one trick pony. (That's what most MLB relievers are)

Why you so mad?

That analogy is AWFUL because being a great runner and being able to throw 100 mph are false equivalences.

Having top speed on your fastball does not automatically mean you are a great pitcher(Ryan had great years, but mostly just pretty good ones and some medicore ones too, never won 20 games, walked people like crazy, is not cited as one of the top 5 or so pitchers of all time). Being amazing at running the football does mean you are a great running back though.

 

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That analogy is AWFUL because being a great runner and being able to throw 100 mph are false equivalences.

Having top speed on your fastball does not automatically mean you are a great pitcher(Ryan had great years, but mostly just pretty good ones and some medicore ones too, never won 20 games, walked people like crazy, is not cited as one of the top 5 or so pitchers of all time). Being amazing at running the football does mean you are a great running back though.

Who the fukk said anything about 100mph?

I said fastball.
If you think fastball = just speed you don't know the first thing about baseball.

 

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Who the fukk said anything about 100mph?

I said fastball.
If you think fastball = just speed you don't know the first thing about baseball.

Greg Maddux is the better pitcher than Nolan Ryan in spite of not being able to throw as hard as Nolan Ryan. You are trying to say LT is unquestionably a better RB than Adrian Peterson despite Adrian being better at actually running the football, and that's wrong.

Greg Maddux = LT is fine. Diverse tool kits, mastery of the different facets required to dominate their respective positions, whatever.

Nolan = AP is not

When healthy and in his prime, AP was unquestionably the best player at his position for the vast majority of his career. Ryan can't say the same thing. AP is at WORST a top 10 player of all time at his position (and most would agree top 5 is his floor). Ryan isn't even considered top 20 by those in the know.

Making analogies out of different sports almost always leads to a fail. I know baseball is your most comfortable topic to discuss but leave that shyt separate.

 

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Greg Maddux is the better pitcher than Nolan Ryan in spite of not being able to throw as hard as Nolan Ryan. You are trying to say LT is unquestionably a better RB than Adrian Peterson despite Adrian being better at actually running the football, and that's wrong.

Greg Maddux = LT is fine. Diverse tool kits, mastery of the different facets required to dominate their respective positions, whatever.

Nolan = AP is not

When healthy and in his prime, AP was unquestionably the best player at his position for the vast majority of his career. Ryan can't say the same thing. AP is at WORST a top 10 player of all time at his position (and most would agree top 5 is his floor). Ryan isn't even considered top 20 by those in the know.

Making analogies out of different sports almost always leads to a fail. I know baseball is your most comfortable topic to discuss but leave that shyt separate.

No.

I'm saying the arguments that LT is better all around than AD is at 1 aspect of football is what reminds me of that baseball comparison.

There's a difference.
I didn't start that fukkin argument. I didn't say shyt for like 5 pages.

 

[obarth]

Yea, cause it's not like early Roger Craig existed or anything

Yeah, cause it's not like I said "late 90's-early2000's era" right after the part you decided to quote or anything. But props for letting us know you know who Roger Craig is, brehIf it were me, I might try to name drop an actual Hall of Famer, and someone more prudent to the discussion, like Marcus Allen, but do your thing, fam

 

[TrebleMan]

Better runner (slightly) to me, but not a better player (wide margin).

LaDanian ran, caught and threw touchdowns (highest rated passer in league history I think, dude could throw the football with accuracy).

Also turned the ball over less. AP's best season (2012) he had 14 touchdowns and 4 fumbles, LT's best season (2006) had 31 touchdowns 2 fumbles.

If I were drafting and I wanted best player available, I'm taking LaDainian.

LaDainian Tomlinson (1st 7 years):
-10,650 Rush Yards
-AVG 4.5 Yards
-115 Rush TDs
-3,375 Rec Yards
-15 Rec TDs
-7 Passing TDs
-24 fumbles

Adrian Peterson (1st 7 years up to 2014):
-10,115 Rush Yards
-AVG 5.0 Yards
-86 Rush TDs
-1,697 Rec Yards
-5 Rec TDs
-29 fumbles


LT rushing yards +535
LT rushing touchdowns +29
LT receiving yards +1700
LT receiving touchdowns +10
LT passing touchdowns +7
LT fumbles -5
AP yards per carry +0.5

 

[MF budz]

Tomlinson is a well deserved first ballot Hall of Famer. But goat might be taking it too far. nikkas forget Shaun Alexander had a year extremely similar to LT's best. Tiki Barber was doing similar things around that time. Marshall Faulk is the father of that all purpose running back style in that late 90's early 2000's era.

Yeah Alexander had some good years. Him and LT just fell off instantly at 30.

 

[MF budz]

Better runner (slightly) to me, but not a better player (wide margin).

LaDanian ran, caught and threw touchdowns (highest rated passer in league history I think, dude could throw the football with accuracy).

Also turned the ball over less. AP's best season (2012) he had 14 touchdowns and 4 fumbles, LT's best season (2006) had 31 touchdowns 2 fumbles.

If I were drafting and I wanted best player available, I'm taking LaDainian.

LaDainian Tomlinson (1st 7 years):
-10,650 Rush Yards
-AVG 4.5 Yards
-115 Rush TDs
-3,375 Rec Yards
-15 Rec TDs
-7 Passing TDs
-24 fumbles

Adrian Peterson (1st 7 years up to 2014):
-10,115 Rush Yards
-AVG 5.0 Yards
-86 Rush TDs
-1,697 Rec Yards
-5 Rec TDs
-29 fumbles


LT rushing yards +535
LT rushing touchdowns +29
LT receiving yards +1700
LT receiving touchdowns +10
LT passing touchdowns +7
LT fumbles -5
AP yards per carry +0.5

How many times did LT face 8 in the box though compared to AP? Vikings had no qbs. And Bridgewater still wasn't it. I would still take LT I think.

 

[TrebleMan]

How many times did LT face 8 in the box though compared to AP? Vikings had no qbs. And Bridgewater still wasn't it. I would still take LT I think.

It's tough because you stack the box vs a versatile RB like LT and you may potentially/most likely pay.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

It's tough because you stack the box vs a versatile RB like LT and you may potentially/most likely pay.

Or maybe you couldn't stack the box against LT cause the Chargers had Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers under center

 

[...and some waffle fries]

Better runner (slightly) to me, but not a better player (wide margin).

LaDanian ran, caught and threw touchdowns (highest rated passer in league history I think, dude could throw the football with accuracy).

Also turned the ball over less. AP's best season (2012) he had 14 touchdowns and 4 fumbles, LT's best season (2006) had 31 touchdowns 2 fumbles.

If I were drafting and I wanted best player available, I'm taking LaDainian.

LaDainian Tomlinson (1st 7 years):
-10,650 Rush Yards
-AVG 4.5 Yards
-115 Rush TDs
-3,375 Rec Yards
-15 Rec TDs
-7 Passing TDs
-24 fumbles

Adrian Peterson (1st 7 years up to 2014):
-10,115 Rush Yards
-AVG 5.0 Yards
-86 Rush TDs
-1,697 Rec Yards
-5 Rec TDs
-29 fumbles


LT rushing yards +535
LT rushing touchdowns +29
LT receiving yards +1700
LT receiving touchdowns +10
LT passing touchdowns +7
LT fumbles -5
AP yards per carry +0.5

You debating dudes born in 99' or 2000. Its not even close tbh. LT has better numbers and did way more than AP.

I everytime I see McKinnon come and sub AP out the game on third downs.

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

Yeah, cause it's not like I said "late 90's-early2000's era" right after the part you decided to quote or anything. But props for letting us know you know who Roger Craig is, brehIf it were me, I might try to name drop an actual Hall of Famer, and someone more prudent to the discussion, like Marcus Allen, but do your thing, fam

You mean the same Marcus Allen who has the same amount of 1k seasons as Roger Craig? Or the Marcus Allen who's best reception year would be Craig's fifth best? Or the Marcus Allen who's best receiving yardage is 300 yds behind Craig's? Or the Marcus Allen who has one season of 2k yds from scrimmage compared to two from Craig?

APB shyt ain't start with Faulk no matter how you try to sample size it

 

[TrebleMan]

Or maybe you couldn't stack the box against LT cause the Chargers had Drew Brees and Phillip Rivers under center

I'd be more lenient about AP being on LT's level against the 8 in a box argument if his drop rate itself weren't so high:

Three Years of Drop Rate: Running Backs | PFF

It is what it is, he wasn't known for his hands, so I can't fault an NFL coach for not calling more pass plays for him.

They only have 3 downs to make it happen and a dropped pass on a 2nd down leads to tougher 3rd downs. They stacked the box more vs AD because they most likely knew they didn't trust him enough for them to make passes to him out the backfield. Minny wants the ball in AP's/AD's hands and they weren't going to throw it there. If I was a defensive coordinator, I wouldn't be respecting the catch out the backfield, so I'm stacking 8.

Against LT though? fukk no it's not as easy to make that call.

LT still had better hands than he did in the twilight stages of his career than AP during his prime, that's a pretty solid reason why you could pass him the ball more.

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

I'd be more lenient about AP being on LT's level against the 8 in a box argument if his drop rate itself weren't so high:

Three Years of Drop Rate: Running Backs | PFF

It is what it is, he wasn't known for his hands, so I can't fault an NFL coach for not calling more pass plays for him.

They only have 3 downs to make it happen and a dropped pass on a 2nd down leads to tougher 3rd downs. They stacked the box more vs AD because they most likely knew they didn't trust him enough for them to make passes to him out the backfield. If I was a defensive coordinator, I wouldn't be respecting the catch out the backfield, so I'm stacking 8.

LT still had better hands than he did in the twilight stages of his career than AP during his prime, that's a pretty solid reason why you could pass him the ball more.

Defenses didn't stack the box cause AD couldn't catch. They stacked the box cause he was the only offensive option fukk are you talking about?


LT got the ball thrown his way more cause he played on better offenses with better QBs, nikkas just keep glossing over that

Catching passes does not make you a better running back

AD carried bum ass squads with nearly zero help and led both Tavaris Jackson and Christian Ponder led squads to playoff appearances yet nikkas wanna say LT did more

AD's 2,000 yard season>>>>>any LT season