Adrian Peterson was great. But was he better than LaDainian Tomlinson?

[TrebleMan]

Defenses didn't stack the box cause AD couldn't catch. They stacked the box cause he was the only offensive option fukk are you talking about?


LT got the ball thrown his way more cause he played on better offenses with better QBs, nikkas just keep glossing over that

Catching passes does not make you a better running back

AD carried bum ass squads with nearly zero help and led both Tavaris Jackson and Christian Ponder led squads to playoff appearances yet nikkas wanna say LT did more

AD's 2,000 yard season>>>>>any LT season

Catching passes doesn't have anything to do with being a better runner, but it has a lot to do with being a better player and more versatile running back.

If AD could catch like a LT or even Danny Woodhead, imagine what he would've been. I understand dude would have killed it plenty more if they did have more weapons to spread the field, leading to less stacked boxes, I get that. But he didn't improve enough either as a pass catching back himself. The blame is split here.

I don't however buy the QB argument.

Matt Forte was the best pass catching RB in the league with Jay Cutler and Jimmy Clausen as his QBs, LT still put up beastly numbers with Mark Sanchez, MJD had Blaine Gabbert and Henne throwing to them and they finished nearly among the top all the time, plenty more examples out there where a supremely talented RB able to catch has boosted a wack QB's numbers.

Bottom line, in order for AD to have been more effective, the Vikings could have drafted/signed better players but also AP/AD could have learned to be more effective catching out of the backfield (and in pass pro). The fact that he wasn't sufficient enough in that category is why I'd draft LT over him.

Back to my original point, the gap between LT and AP/AD as a runner is much closer than the gap between LT and AP/AD as a complete back.

End of the day, it's not a new argument, shyt the cats all over the internet discuss RB's a ton in threads like this:
NFL Forum :: - Adrian Peterson VS Ladainian Tomlinson

 

[obarth]

You mean the same Marcus Allen who has the same amount of 1k seasons as Roger Craig? Or the Marcus Allen who's best reception year would be Craig's fifth best? Or the Marcus Allen who's best receiving yardage is 300 yds behind Craig's? Or the Marcus Allen who has one season of 2k yds from scrimmage compared to two from Craig?

APB shyt ain't start with Faulk no matter how you try to sample size it

The Marcus Allen who has more receptions, receiving yards, receiving touchdowns, yards per reception, rushing yards, and rushing touchdowns than Roger Craig is the Marcus Allen we're both referencing

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

Catching passes doesn't have anything to do with being a better runner, but it has a lot to do with being a better player and more versatile running back.

If AD could catch like a LT or even Danny Woodhead, imagine what he would've been. I understand dude would have killed it plenty more if they did have more weapons to spread the field, leading to less stacked boxes, I get that. But he didn't improve enough either as a pass catching back himself. The blame is split here.

I don't however buy the QB argument.

Matt Forte was the best pass catching RB in the league with Jay Cutler and Jimmy Clausen as his QBs, LT still put up beastly numbers with Mark Sanchez, MJD had Blaine Gabbert and Henne throwing to them and they finished nearly among the top all the time, plenty more examples out there where a supremely talented RB able to catch has boosted a wack QB's numbers.

Bottom line, in order for AD to have been more effective, the Vikings could have drafted/signed better players but also AP/AD could have learned to be more effective catching out of the backfield (and in pass pro). The fact that he wasn't sufficient enough in that category is why I'd draft LT over him.

Back to my original point, the gap between LT and AP/AD as a runner is much closer than the gap between LT and AP/AD as a complete back.

End of the day, it's not a new argument, shyt the cats all over the internet discuss RB's a ton in threads like this:
NFL Forum :: - Adrian Peterson VS Ladainian Tomlinson

Stopped reading that bullshyt at bolded

Negged for using Danny Woodhead and Adrian Peterson in the same sentence

Forte and MJD are nowhere near AD's level, fukk outta here

And they played with better QB's as well

Jay Cutler>any QB AD played with in his prime minus one year of Favre

MJD with Gabbert/Henne was only catching 43 passes in a season. AD caught 40 playing with Ponder. So no MJD wasn't boosting garbage QB's either.

If AD played with Brees, Rivers, Antonio Gates, Lorenzo Neal (one of the GOAT blocking fullbacks), Vincent Jackson and San Diego's o-line imagine what he would've done

If you draft LT first I hope you drafting all those dudes with him

 

[TrebleMan]

Stopped reading that bullshyt at bolded

Negged for using Danny Woodhead and Adrian Peterson in the same sentence

Forte and MJD are nowhere near AD's level, fukk outta here

And they played with better QB's as well

Jay Cutler>any QB AD played with in his prime minus one year of Favre

MJD with Gabbert/Henne was only catching 43 passes in a season. AD caught 40 playing with Ponder. So no MJD wasn't boosting garbage QB's either.

If AD played with Brees, Rivers, Antonio Gates, Lorenzo Neal (one of the GOAT blocking fullbacks), Vincent Jackson and San Diego's o-line imagine what he would've done

If you draft LT first I hope you drafting all those dudes with him

Stopped reading after the bolded, but referenced everything after it

Different philosophies, guess we'll leave it at that.

 

[premier58]

Great thread but stop using Drew Brees against LT..Drew Brees played 5 years with LT and was only good for 2..The Brees in SD was not the one in New Orleans..As far as LT and AD they are both in my top 4..

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

This stack the box narrative is ludicrous. His MVP season he was playing with a first year starter in Rivers that barely got a chance to throw the ball that season. He's faced plenty of 8 man fronts. Drew Brees had two good years and before that was constantly getting subbed our for Doug Flutie and shyt

 

[BonafideDefacto]

Without giving my answer yet, I just thought of something while looking at Y'all highlights and arguments.

This nikka Leveon Bell is what you get if you mixed those 2 together.

nikka hands so good *pause*, Pitt can line him up at WRS. Good routes and knows how to use his body *pause*

In between the tackles he's one of a kind. Hard to tackle, lays the wood *pause*. The best all around back currently in the league

 

[premier58]

^^^^I like Leveon, but he is far too slow to be compared to LT and AD..He routinely gets ran down..

 

[FabTrey]

3 best all purpose backs i've seen

LT
faulk
thurman thomas

3 best power runner i've seen

walter payton
bo jackson
adrian peterson




LT is no doubt better all around player. but AD was no joke. that nikka ran to hurt you



if AD retires now then LT has an edge over him. but AD ain't done. he's gonna find a good home and pad his stats for next 3 years or so

 

[FabTrey]

for my team pats - gimme LT. things he would do for the pats?

 

[Big Boss]

AP

 

[AlbertPullhoez]

This stack the box narrative is ludicrous. His MVP season he was playing with a first year starter in Rivers that barely got a chance to throw the ball that season. He's faced plenty of 8 man fronts. Drew Brees had two good years and before that was constantly getting subbed our for Doug Flutie and shyt

Man Philip Rivers made the goddamn Pro Bowl the first year he became a starter during LT MVP season.

Hell that single season by Rivers was better than any season besides Favre '09 than any other starting QB that AD played with

Even Flutie better than the QB's Peterson played with

Great thread but stop using Drew Brees against LT..Drew Brees played 5 years with LT and was only good for 2..The Brees in SD was not the one in New Orleans..As far as LT and AD they are both in my top 4..

shyt leave Brees out and the same still applies with Rivers

 

[premier58]

Man Philip Rivers made the goddamn Pro Bowl the first year he became a starter during LT MVP season.

Hell that single season by Rivers was better than any season besides Favre '09 than any other starting QB that AD played with

Even Flutie better than the QB's Peterson played with

shyt leave Brees out and the same still applies with Rivers

LT had old ass Flutie and a medicoree Brees his first three years and he was still dominant...he shined no matter who was around him, like AD..

 

[Geek Nasty]

Please, Shaun Alexander is the biggest p*ssy RB I ever seen in my life. Dude would throw himself to the ground and crawl up when he saw defenders coming at him.

Wasn't that just after he got fukked over on his performance bonus? Always thought he was legit until they played him.

 

[Th3G3ntleman]

Man Philip Rivers made the goddamn Pro Bowl the first year he became a starter during LT MVP season.

Hell that single season by Rivers was better than any season besides Favre '09 than any other starting QB that AD played with

Even Flutie better than the QB's Peterson played with

shyt leave Brees out and the same still applies with Rivers

Move the goalpost brehs. Are teams not stacking the box against a rookie during L.T's mvp season or not? Whether he made the probowl or not is irrelevant. Were defenses preparing for Rivers or L.T that first year?