#AboutBillions/#SmokeSquad Presents "July Fukkery Never Ends": Adrien Broner vs Mikey Garcia on 7/29

[Newzz]

Broner barely beating Granados at 147 which it was does not strengthen broner resume at 140 at all

Granados and Allakhverdiev is a better win than both Troyanovsky & Burns.....2 people who have beaten nobody and AB >>>>>>>>> Matthysse per Matthysse aint never been a Champ while Broner has 4x and beaten 5 Champions


Thanks Pat

 

[patscorpio]

Granados and Allakhverdiev is a better win than both Troyanovsky & Burns.....2 people who have beaten nobody and AB >>>>>>>>> Matthysse per Matthysse aint never been a Champ while Broner has 4x and beaten 5 Champions


Thanks Pat

This doesn't make a lick of sense..youre on your own with that one

 

[Newzz]

This doesn't make a lick of sense..youre on your own with that one

What doesn't make sense? Allakhverdiev alone has a better resume at 140 than both Troyanovsky & Burns....and Granados is ranked higher than both of them while having a better win (Amir Imam > Cuenca, Relikh, DiRocco). Broner beating Allakhverdiev & Granados is better than Indougo beating Troyanovsky and Burns.


And as for the rest, I'll put it in Patscorpio terms for you since you didn't get me:

granados is also not a champion or a former one...indongo knocked off 2 ..that kills that argument lol

Matthysse is also not a champion or a former one...Broner knocked off 5 that kills that argument lol



Thanks for that one. I expect to never hold that discussion about "AB or Matthysse" ever again

 

[patscorpio]

What doesn't make sense? Allakhverdiev alone has a better resume at 140 than both Troyanovsky & Burns....and Granados is ranked higher than both of them while having a better win (Amir Imam > Cuenca, Relikh, DiRocco). Broner beating Allakhverdiev & Granados is better than Indougo beating Troyanovsky and Burns.


And as for the rest, I'll put it in Patscorpio terms for you since you didn't get me:

Matthysse is also not a champion or a former one...Broner knocked off 5 that kills that argument lol



Thanks for that one. I expect to never hold that discussion about "AB or Matthysse" ever again

You are juelz spinning to think a nikka who knocked off 2 champions who were at the top of their rankings is a lesser win than a win in a welterweight fight..win he barely got

And Lucas would KO broner at any given time 140 or 147

 

[Newzz]

You are juelz spinning to think a nikka who knocked off 2 champions who were at the top of their rankings is a lesser win than a win in a welterweight fight..win he barely got

No, what I said is beating Broner beating Allakhverdiev & Granados is better than Indougo beating Troyanovsky & Burns, because Allakhverdiev has the best resume at 140 of the 4 opponents (bolded) and Granados win over Imam is better than any win Troyanovsky & Burns has at 140.

With the way you hyped Amir Imam as "next" and better than both Danny Garcia and Adrien Broner, you surely cant sit here now and tell me that Burns beating Michelle DiRocco & Relikh, and Troyanovsky beating Cuenca were the better wins

And Lucas would KO broner at any given time 140 or 147

Patscorpio criteria above erases that convo from ever taking place again because:

Matthysse is also not a champion or a former one...Broner knocked off 5 that kills that argument lol

 

[reservoirdogs]

You go by best win.


What Indoungo opponent has a better win on their resume than beating an undefeated, 33-0-1 Joan Guzman? None.


Don't switch your criteria argument vs argument....Allakhverdiev was a former Champion at 140, only loss a controversial one vs Jessie Vargas, plus has Joan Guzman scalp on the resume (and Mabuza another Champ). Troynovsky nor Burns have the success at 140 Allakhverdiev had....hes better.


Indougo aint beat nobody bc Troyanovsky has beaten nobody and Ricky Burns aint beat nobody at 140 neither

A TD win caused by an injury against a 36 yrs old guy who started out of super bantamweight?

Troyanovski won a belt also against an undefeated, although untested but a career 140 guy by KO and people already talked about Crawford vs him would be a legit fight...

and I don't have only one criteria. You have a point in that I tend to prioritize best wins but that doesn't mean that I disregard everything else. It's a little more complex, I doN't think that anybody goes by only one criteria w/o judging anything else. Troyanovski is was/is regarded as a higher level guy than Allakherdiev and I'm pretty sure that right now Indongo would be a betting favorite against Broner and most of the experts would pick Indongo.

It's not a knock on Broner but right now I'm pretty sure Indongo would beat him I think Indongo is a very good fighter too... We will maybe see Indongo vs Broner at a point next year wouldn't really surprise me. I expect Crawford to win then move up - except if he fights Mikey - and then the fight for the belts he left behind gonna start. Broner, Prograis, Postol, Indongo, Lipinets, Taylor, maybe Mikey all gonna be in the race so we might see it.

Indongo's high volume, movement and awkwardness is all wrong for Broner at this point. Indongo would come out throwing volume from round 1 and he would outpoint Broner. I also doubt Broner could walk him down.

 

[Newzz]

A TD win caused by an injury against a 36 yrs old guy who started out of super bantamweight?

Khabib Allakhverdiev was winning the fight regardless of the injury. Did you watch it?

Troyanovski won a belt also against an undefeated, although untested but a career 140 guy by KO and people already talked about Crawford vs him would be a legit fight...

Doesn't matter. Cuenca has beaten no one, which = Troyanovsky has beaten no one.

You cant hit me with "whoever has the better win > " in one thread and then change that process down the line breh

and I don't have only one criteria. You have a point in that I tend to prioritize best wins but that doesn't mean that I disregard everything else. It's a little more complex, I doN't think that anybody goes by only one criteria w/o judging anything else. Troyanovski is was/is regarded as a higher level guy than Allakherdiev

No he wasn't.


Allakhverdiev has beat a legit opponent and his only loss outside of Broner was a controversial decision lost, a fight in which if you watched...you know he won as well, to Jessie Vargas.


Maybe today, being that Allakhverdiev hasn't fought since losing to AB, but Allakhverdiev would beat Troyanovsky himself imo.

and I'm pretty sure that right now Indongo would be a betting favorite against Broner and most of the experts would pick Indongo.

Today, of course after Broner is coming off a loss to Garcia. I guarantee come 08/21, you wont be saying that you believe Indongo would be the betting favorite vs Broner.....and we can revisit that on that day.


Yall live in the moment too much.

It's not a knock on Broner but right now I'm pretty sure Indongo would beat him I think Indongo is a very good fighter too...

We'll discuss this August 21st. And then we'll see what you say then.

We will maybe see Indongo vs Broner at a point next year wouldn't really surprise me.

You wont hear from Indongo ever again come 08/21, just like Viktor Postol.

I expect Crawford to win then move up - except if he fights Mikey - and then the fight for the belts he left behind gonna start. Broner, Prograis, Postol, Indongo, Lipinets, Taylor, maybe Mikey all gonna be in the race so we might see it.

Indongo's high volume, movement and awkwardness is all wrong for Broner at this point. Indongo would come out throwing volume from round 1 and he would outpoint Broner. I also doubt Broner could walk him down.

August 21st...we can discuss it then breh.

 

[blackzeus]

Hold up, you don't think Garcia is an "A" fighter?

He's consistently been a dominant fighter and tonight is no different.

You clearly saw the difference between an A fighter and a solid B fighter in AB.

My bad breh I see what you saying, when I think A I think Mayweather, Tim Bradley, those guys, who would wipe the floor with this cat. But yes he is most definitely on a level of say Keith Thurman or Amir Khan, he already beat Danny Garcia no? So yeah in that respect you're right

 

[blackzeus]

boxing is just a brutual sport
i can tell that broner was in shape and tried his best for this fight
but once u lose it, u lose it,. all dat fukking around he did in the past fukked him beyond recovery
in retrospect, he really really should of took that pacquaio fight

That's why Ali and others would abstain from sex before fights. Or guys like Floyd who go run for 10 miles after hitting the club. You can the difference in preparation between a guy like Mikey and a guy like AB. Mikey probably could have went another 10 rounds no sweat He took body shots, he took head shots. AB preparing for fights like it's amateur night, except Mikey was no amateur and it showed. AB is about everything but boxing. The hoes, the money, the lifestyle. He's good enough to beat the Paulie's of the world, but not good enough to be the Mayweathers and Errol Spence's of the world IMHO. Maybe this will be a wakeup call, maybe he will fade to black, only time will tell.

 

[blackzeus]

Where do you think Mikey goes from here?

Errol Spence or Keith Thurman. Hell if Floyd really set to retire this cat might have next, not too many big names in welterweight left for him to beat

 

[blackzeus]

Jim Gray and the crowd with the

 

[blackzeus]

AB gotta switch his initials to 2TL. Too Little Too Late. This dude waited till the 10th round to start trying to let his hands go. He is kinda done. Hell his corner said to last night: "what happened you used to be the the man"...at least i know they are being real with him.

No amount of going to Colorado is rededicating himself to training, will make him let his hands go. And thats his biggest problem.

His own peoples telling him he washed?

 

[GzUp]

His own peoples telling him he washed?

I think I heard them say, "I thought u said u wanted this muthafukka".

 

[Newzz]

His own peoples telling him he washed?

That was never said breh.

 

[GREENandYELLOW]

Was out of town so finally getting around to reading through this thread and watched the fight last night (without reading anything about it beforehand).


Fight played out how I expected, so no real comments breaking it down. Broner wasn't active and Mikey was technically sound.

The bigger story to me is the aftermath. I was getting on the Broner train early in his career, but I realized that he was a guy whose flaws weren't going to change and I had a problem with that, so I couldn't support him as a stan, but rather just watch him as a fan of boxing. He is too caught up with trying to be Floyd in the ring that it is really detrimental. He is talented and athletic, had he developed his own style I think he would have been better suited. But he seems caught trying to be someone else in the ring. He refuses to let his hands go and is constantly shaking his head at his opponent, which works for Floyd, but for Broner is a symbol that his opponent is landing clean and outworking him. At this point with his style I think Broner has been doing it for too long I don't believe it will change and he will ride with it for better or worse for the rest of his career.

The Maidana fight proved to me that Broner has a chin. Never questioned it since, which is why I was suprised at how many media members thought Broner would get KO'd. I don't doubt Mikey can punch or that in the long term that Mikey may bring his punch to 140, but for all the negatives about Broner, his chin is legit.

Broner's post fight interview was disgraceful and I wonder when his fans begin to turn on him. He was straight up mocking them and knows that they will be back to pay to watch him no matter what he does. Also saying the fight was like Tom and Jerry and he was chasing the mouse literally made me say WTF out loud. Dude was getting walked down the whole fight and had Mikey right in front of him the whole fight.

Leave the fight wondering what is next for Broner. He isn't bum status. He still can and should beat all the B level fighters decisively, but I don't see him beating any top level fighters. Something either will happen to Broner or he needs to make something happen. Right now he seems at the clear dividing line where we can tell who he is better than and who is better than him. Broner needs to beat a fighter who is better than him right now to jump start his career, or he may get beat by someone who he is better than. Broner's career hasn't lived up to expectations financially IMO. Don't get me wrong he has made good money, but this is a fighter who wanted to tranform into the financial elite. It hasn't happened and looks like it will never happen. With the way it appears he mismanages his money I would be concerned over his long term financial health...also with his out of the ring run-ins, it concerns me what will happen if he doesn't have money.

Mikey's spot is complex, yet simple. Really we just need to seem him keep fighting. At 135 I think he cleans up whoever he fights, although a Lomachenko fight would be interesting as hell. At 140 I think Mikey is probably first or second best with Crawford (I lean Crawford). Long term he would stay as a top fighter there, but I could see if a young, athletic, and rangy fighter came up it could give him problems. At 147 I don't like Mikey that much, unless he were to fight Pacquiao. Best IMO to stay out of that division. Broner has some reach on Mikey and physically gave Mikey some issues when he pressed at his best moments and Broner gets that done to him at 147.