Aaron Hernandez questioned by police in homicide probe (Update: Found guilty of first degree murder)

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Ortiz painting it as some Clemenza, cannoli type shyt


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I hit Rhode Island strip clubs every once in awhile. I have one friend in particular from the A who brought that habit up here with him.

Cadillac Lounge, Satin Doll, Desires, Cheaters when I'm feeling grimey :russ:. I'll tell you right now it's a lot more than 6 Patriots.

Maybe 6 recognizable Patriots.

The strip clubs in Boston are suspect. Centerfold's in the city is the only decent place. But the girls there are on the up and up. So everyone heads to Rhode Island.


Dont forget about that nasty, no serving liquor ass Balloons:scusthov: I havent been in that hole in years, thats the only place I seen that had pornos running on loop:bryan:
 

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Dude should have just gone and clean the secret house from any incriminating shyt and just stop hangin out with LLoyd :manny: instead he bout to do life .
 

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Affidavit: Carlos Ortiz heavy drug user, evaded treatment

That's ya star witness tho. High on all types of drugs. THC, PCP, Alcohol, Cocaine. I wonder who Hitman A Hern will be starting for in 2014. Smh at the nikkaz Hernandez was bringing home around his fiancé and baby girl.

PCP: Also known as angeldust. Probably the scariest of all drugs. Was used as a horse tranquilizer. Makes the user hallucinate, become extremely violent, and not feel anything. People have been known to do horrible things to themselves while under the influence of PCP.
 

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Some of you claiming guilty need to read this first.

Revelation after revelation about the shooting death of Odin Lloyd has appeared to tighten the net around former New England Patriot Aaron Hernandez. However, defense attorneys with experience in both high-profile criminal cases and murder investigations caution against passing swift public judgment on Hernandez's fate.

Why? Because of a simple phrase we've all heard so many times it's become rote: innocent until proven guilty.

Prosecutors must prove Hernandez guilty of the crime of murder. Hernandez has no burden to prove himself innocent; at the moment, legally speaking, he's as innocent of the crime as you or me.

These are facts: Odin Lloyd, a semi-pro football player who was at least an acquaintance of Aaron Hernandez, died early on the morning of June 17 from two gunshots from a .45-caliber firearm. He was in contact with Hernandez in the hours prior to his death. But the burden of proof in tying Hernandez to the crime falls to the state, and that can be a high bar to clear.

"Jurors typically scrutinize murder cases very closely because the stakes are so high," said J. Tom Morgan, an Atlanta defense attorney who's participated (as both prosecutor and defender) in some of Georgia's most high-profile cases of recent years, and one of several defense attorneys consulted by Yahoo! Sports for this story. "You're talking about putting someone in prison for life. They will hold a prosecutor to a higher standard. Legally, there's no justification for it, but in a murder trial, the jury is much more closely attuned than they would be to, say, a car theft."

For that reason, then, the state has to be absolutely airtight in its presentation of the entire case, from determining the charges against Hernandez to laying out the facts of the case in the course of a trial. And so far, Bristol County (Mass.) prosecutors appear to have learned from another high-profile murder case involving a well-known NFL player.

"They're not going to make the mistake of rushing that was made with Ray Lewis," says Kevin Farmer, an Atlanta public defender with substantial experience in defending clients accused of murder. "They're taking their time."

Aaron Hernandez stands with his attorney, Michael Fee, during arraignment in Attleboro District Court. (AP)Lewis was arrested in 2000 in connection with a double homicide in Atlanta; in a widely-criticized case, Fulton County was only able to get a misdemeanor plea from Lewis. His two associates were acquitted of felony murder charges.

Still, even a methodical prosecution case must stand on the strength of its evidence. The evidence in Lloyd's death unsealed earlier this week indicates that police conducted a wide-ranging search in locations ranging from Hernandez's home to his temporary apartment to his Patriots locker.

"Right now, I don't see a smoking gun," Morgan said. "There's no eyewitness, no gun. There's enough probable cause to get a search warrant, but there's a long way to go to get to guilty beyond a reasonable doubt."

Because the defense hasn't yet had a chance to present its side of the case, the prosecution currently enjoys a public-relations advantage. In charging Hernandez, the prosecution laid out its reasons for pegging Hernandez as a suspect in an uninterrupted, 20-minute dialogue that aired on national television.

But viewed from a different angle, the evidence and Hernandez's actions are not necessarily indicative of a guilty man.

Consider Hernandez's demeanor when police arrived to question him about Lloyd's death. Police described him as "argumentative" and said he slammed the door in their faces when told they were investigating a death. Ten minutes later, he emerged with the telephone number of his attorney and referred all inquiries there.

"I would call that exercising his Fifth Amendment right to shut up," Farmer said. "My point of view is, when the cops asked about the murder, Hernandez did the right thing. When the police show up at your door, they're not coming to be sociable."

Immediately deferring to his attorney may not have won Hernandez points in the court of public opinion, but that's not the point. "Hernandez has been smart about not making a statement," Farmer continued. "When they tell you 'anything you say can and will be used against you,' they mean it."

Hernandez now sits in jail, awaiting indictment and, most likely, a trial. At that point, he'll face a jury, which must decide if he is guilty of murder – and here's another of those oft-repeated but nonetheless critical phrases: beyond a reasonable doubt.

It bears repeating: The defense's job is not to prove Hernandez innocent. The defense simply needs to show that there is reasonable doubt that Hernandez could have committed the crime. Defense attorneys agree that the Hernandez team's strategy could focus on any or all of three major elements of the case:

1. The victim: Shayanna Jenkins, Hernandez's girlfriend, told police that Lloyd "smoked marijuana and was also a marijuana dealer" and that she often observed Lloyd on the phone discussing what she believed were marijuana sales. That's enough fertile ground to start planting seeds of doubt, even if other acquaintances of Lloyd's denied to police he was a drug dealer. "If the deceased was a drug dealer, the crowd he's hanging with is a dangerous crowd," Morgan said. "Did he sell drugs to the wrong person or in the wrong place? There are lots of reasons you could plant in the jury's mind why someone else could have committed this crime."

2. The co-defendants: Carlos Ortiz and Ernest Wallace, two of Hernandez's associates, will likely become household names over the course of the trial. Hernandez, Ortiz, Wallace and Lloyd, according to police, were all together in a car on the night Lloyd was killed. According to documents released earlier this week, Ortiz has already flipped, cooperating with prosecutors by saying that Wallace told him Hernandez admitted firing the shots that killed Lloyd.

Carlos Ortiz, left, enters the Attleboro District Court with attorney John Connors. (AP)While appearing to be damning testimony, Ortiz's words are only as trustworthy as the man who speaks them. In other words, the defense will ask the jury to consider the source.

"Assuming Wallace and/or Ortiz cooperates in exchange for a lesser sentence, the defense will likely hammer away at the theme that the cooperators would do anything to avoid substantial jail time, and that those cooperators know their best chance is to blame the high-profile guy," said Glenn C. Colton, a former federal prosecutor who now heads the white collar practice at Dentons, a global law firm in Manhattan.

The strategy for the defense, then, is to go on the offensive: "Discredit the cooperating witnesses by highlighting whatever criminal history or record of dishonesty/deceit they can find on those witnesses, as well as their incredibly strong motivation to tell the prosecutors what they want to hear," Colton explained. Reports before Wallace's arrest indicate he did not have any other outstanding warrants. Ortiz reportedly has an extensive criminal history and, according to an affidavit obtained by USA Today, admitted to police he abused "PCP, alcohol and THC daily."

"Defense could also attempt to create reasonable doubt, by among other things, arguing that either of the other two key players could just as easily have committed the crime," Colton continued.

Both Ortiz and Wallace are currently in prison, Ortiz charged with illegal possession of a firearm and Wallace charged with being an accessory after the fact in Lloyd's murder. Of note: the prosecution indicated that it has not formally laid out the specifics of the night in question. "All we've done is charge Aaron Hernandez with murder," Bristol County District Attorney Samuel Sutter said Monday. "As far as the specifics about who was the shooter and who might have been a joint venturer, it's too early to say. The investigation is ongoing."

3. Evidence: Police have revealed the evidence gathered during the execution of multiple search warrants on Hernandez's property, as well as evidence gathered during the murder investigation itself. However, the .45-caliber firearm used to kill Lloyd remains missing, a hole that provides opportunity for both sides.

"The defense will seize on the absence and point out that if found, the gun could just as easily have exculpatory evidence such as another person's fingerprints," Colton said. "The prosecution, in turn, likely will argue that it was the defendant who got rid of the weapon in the first place."

Because of Hernandez's public notoriety and the graphic details of the crime, this case has captured the public's interest during a traditionally slow time of the year on the sports calendar. As the weeks roll on and football season nears, attorneys for both sides will face a choice of whether to, in effect, try the case in the media.

As a defense attorney, "you have an ethical obligation not to try the case in the press," Farmer says. "But if one side goes to the press, the other side has to respond in some way." Hernandez's defense team has already decried the prosecution's case as "circumstantial," and Farmer indicated that there's a time-tested defense strategy for responding should the prosecution continue to attempt to tarnish Hernandez in the media.

"You say, 'My client is innocent until proven guilty, and we know why they're trying this in the press, because they don't have a good case in the court,' " Farmer explained.

Hernandez's celebrity status as a local NFL star may not play as much of a role in jury selection as one might expect. Just because sports fans are following the Hernandez case doesn't mean everyone is. "Having tried high-profile cases, unless he is someone with a lot of favorable or a lot of unfavorable awareness, [Hernandez's celebrity] is probably not going to matter," Morgan said. "There will be many potential jurors who don't watch football. Lawyers and journalists would be dismayed to know how little people read the papers and follow the news."

These, then, will be the people who likely determine Hernandez's fate. All the pretrial commenting, speculating and guessing about Hernandez is irrelevant; all that matters is what happens in the courtroom, and how a jury views the presentation of both sides. In the eyes of the law, Hernandez remains innocent unless and until he's proven guilty.

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Some of you claiming guilty need to read this first.



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I read it. Still doesn't change my mind.

Best case scenario for AHern is he does time for the guns and beats the murder charges. The gun is on video. The bullets (just as bad as owning a gun in Massachusetts) were at his house and in the rental car. There is no getting around that.

The guns alone assure that he will do a few years and that his NFL career is over. Plaxico got a second chance because his gun was legit and at one point registered to him in a different state. He was just careless and irresponsible with it.

AHern's life as he knows it is over.
 

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I read it. Still doesn't change my mind.

Best case scenario for AHern is he does time for the guns and beats the murder charges. The gun is on video. The bullets (just as bad as owning a gun in Massachusetts) were at his house and in the rental car. There is no getting around that.

The guns alone assure that he will do a few years and that his NFL career is over. Plaxico got a second chance because his gun was legit and at one point registered to him in a different state. He was just careless and irresponsible with it.

AHern's life as he knows it is over.

which gun is on video? the bullets left in the rental were 22's not 45s which killed loyd
 

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I read it. Still doesn't change my mind.

Best case scenario for AHern is he does time for the guns and beats the murder charges. The gun is on video. The bullets (just as bad as owning a gun in Massachusetts) were at his house and in the rental car. There is no getting around that.

The guns alone assure that he will do a few years and that his NFL career is over. Plaxico got a second chance because his gun was legit and at one point registered to him in a different state. He was just careless and irresponsible with it.

AHern's life as he knows it is over.

The gun charges for Ahern alone under Mass law, carry a heavy sentence right?
 

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The gun charges for Ahern alone under Mass law, carry a heavy sentence right?

He has no prior record, he has charges based on the ammunition they found and the Rifle that was in his house in a 1998 Toyota Camry that was probably the vehicle his friends from Connecticut came in. If he ends up beating his case, don't be surprised if he gets a year or 18 months for the gun charges that all run concurrently. So basically time served and some probation.
 

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Pouncey Twins wear Free Hernandez hats

Pouncey Bros wear Free Hernandez hats - College Football News | FOX Sports on MSN

Mike and Maurkice Pouncey are apparently firm believers in “innocent until proven guilty.”

The identical twin centers were spotted wearing “Free Hernandez” hats at a nightclub as they were celebrating their birthday. Mike and Maurkice, who play for the Dolphins and Steelers, respectively, were teammates with Aaron Hernandez at the University of Florida. Mike was Hernandez’s roommate in Gainesville.

Both Pouncey brothers were spotted with Hernandez on the night of a 2007 shooting in Gainesville, according to ESPN.com.

Maurkice was taken No. 18 overall by Pittsburgh in the 2010 NFL draft. He’s a three-time All-Pro and three-time Pro Bowler. Mike was drafted No. 15 overall by Miami in the 2011 NFL draft.

Hernandez is currently being held in Bristol County Correctional Facility after being charged with the murder of Odin Lloyd.


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He has no prior record, he has charges based on the ammunition they found and the Rifle that was in his house in a 1998 Toyota Camry that was probably the vehicle his friends from Connecticut came in. If he ends up beating his case, don't be surprised if he gets a year or 18 months for the gun charges that all run concurrently. So basically time served and some probation.

its hard to believe he'll beat the case, looks like the snitch is actually the guy who didnt see the shooting.
 

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which gun is on video? the bullets left in the rental were 22's not 45s which killed loyd

It doesn't matter whether they were the bullets that were found at the scene of the crime. They just have to be bullets. Which you are not allowed to be in possession of in Massachusetts without a license. Having ammunition is the same thing as having a gun. We have some of the toughest gun laws in the country.

And anyway, from what I understand they found a loaded 45 clip in a Hummer that was registered to Hernandez. If it was a high capacity clip (more than 10 bullets) he'll be in even more trouble. 10 year max sentence. The rifle will get him 1-2. And the .22 bullets will get him 1-2, The other gun that they found in the woods will get him 1-2, it will get him 10 years if it had more than 10 bullets. And so on and so on.

The DA's office could hit him with a count for each of the guns and a count for each type of ammunition that is found. He could be looking at 25+ years just from the gun charges.

The gun charges for Ahern alone under Mass law, carry a heavy sentence right?

Depends on how many counts they hit him with. 1-2 years is the sentencing guidelines for first time offenders. There are circumstances that could prolong those sentences. Like a high capacity clip (more than 10 bullets). Which carries a 10 year sentence.
 

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Dude should have just gone and clean the secret house from any incriminating shyt and just stop hangin out with LLoyd :manny: instead he bout to do life .

Lloyd had the dirt on him from before and was finna snitch. It didn't matter how clean the house was. :manny: IMHO, it's not the gangsta azz thing to do, but you have to recognize when you need to take the L. He should have broke off Lloyd a grip to keep his f*ckin' mouth shut, hire a former alphabet boy to help him clean up everything and remove any traces to himself, and remove himself from that life forever, go on making the NFL millions, and never hang out with those nikkaz again on some :mjpls: steez. The problem with a lot of nikkaz is that they don't have to recognize when they need to take the L. Life in prison ain't gangsta, in life you have to recognize when you need to take the L and when you can :bustback:, otherwise you're just going to be food for the system.
 
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