Aaliyah = Cieara

[JustCKing]

LOL @ THE BOLDED. why do you people put yourselves out there like this?

she was no up-n-comer. she was on the downside of her career.

why are your arguments so dependent on timbaland? if aaliyah was so great, she wouldnt have to live off of beats.

ciara wasnt special either. btw, she fell off WHEN she stopped working with jazze pha.







YOURE THE ONE that brought up the "if this were real life" argument. stop throwing stones & hiding your hands.

i didnt dodge chit. i just know better than to waste time with dikkheads. your questions were answered already, and as predicted, you dodged them.

i dont even use smilies like that. whats funny is, the guy youre suckin off in this thread is the biggest smiley abuser around. but im just pointing out how contradictory you are with your pointless insults. btw, @StillNotSoft is the homie but he aint do chit but stan aaliyah this thread. get off his top.

Saying Aaliyah was on the downside of her career is just as ludicrous as someone saying she was Beyonce status before she died. Aaliyah scored her first #1 in 2000. Aaliyah was her biggest opening week. That album nearly sold 500K BEFORE she died, which was about a month after release. It didn't even have a run-away hit single.

It's laughable that people are throwing Mya into the conversation. She was featured on one hit records in 2001 ("Lady Marmalade" which also featured Christina Aguilera, Pink, Lil' Kim, and Missy Elliott). There wasn't an album, yet people are throwing her name out there like she was Alicia Keys, Mary J. Blige, and India.Arie that year.

As far as Ciara is concerned, Aaliyah wasn't as dependent on producers as Ciara. Once Jazze and her musical relationship dissolve, Ciara's career declined. Aaliyah's career was still intact AFTER R. Kelly. She had hit songs that weren't produced by Timbaland ("I Don't Wanna", "The One I Gave My Heart To"). She had hits with Timbaland BEFORE he blew up and became a go-to producer. Ciara peaked with her debut selling around the same amount of copies as Aaliyah's highest selling album. Ciara's second album sold half of what her first sold. Her third album didn't even get a certification and that album had singles featuring T-Pain (when just about every song he was on was a hit) and Justin Timberlake.

 

[user1]

lol. i didnt even know i was a mya fan. but according to you, im a stan. all because i dont cosign your misinformed posts.

didnt you try this same bullchit yesterday with brandy, who i didnt even like?

man im starting to think that you have some mental problems or something. i dont even feel comfortable talking down to you now. just go away.








perfect execution.

im officially in simp-mode.

I don't know if girls can simp but it's mutual lol

 

[Still Benefited]

I care and I still support Mya. fukk the followers.

And I don't agree with your stance that any of those singers didn't have a fanbase that particularly connected to them. shyt most black female (most black artist in general/historically - Chitlin Circuit) rnb singers survive BECAUSE of their fan bases being solid. Small yet solid. And I am one of those fans of Mya that has connected with her over the years so I feel that is false. She still does shows worldwide. (And I don't like none of those singers for the most part, except Monica, because of their man hate). Maybe I'm an anomaly.

And Ciara still tours so she got some connection to "some" fans. Ya'll seriously downplaying the fact that she has survived the "business" for at least a decade. Somebody is following her so I truly don't think the comparison is a negative in anyway. Most artists kill for that type of longevity.

But I respect your opinion and I really don't wanna argue this anymore. Different strokes for different folks .

Everybody who was popular at some point can still tour,Mya still tours too im sure,the question is 20 years after you are no longer relevant will fans still be naming you as one of they favorites musically,and one of they favorite people in the history of music....For Ciara and Mya the answer is overall no,not at all outside of maybe they dance ability....its just different when fans really fukk with you which obviously cant be explained since yall are missing it

idiotic responses like this are exactly why i gave ya dumbass the curve.

thanks for proving my point.

im glad im not the one that wasted time trying to break it down for you. i saw you coming a mile away.








if this was real life, somebody wouldve swung on you pages ago.

the nice types wouldve politely dismissed you.





lol. i see alot of yall have no clue how much love ciara was getting from that target audience back when she was in her prime. her peak was bigger than aaliyah's. some of you dudes are letting that '90s childhood nostalgia cloud your vision.

what makes you think people would be dwelling on aaliyah like this if she didnt pass?

and what great bond did aaliyah have with most of these booth posters posing as r&b fans aside from the "girl next door" gimmick that yall fell for?





lol. yal need to knock this chit off.

aaliyah was the total package how? she couldnt even sing. thats the main neccessity. so how was she a total package?

ciara was supposed to be the aaliyah?:mjlol; ciara's main draw was rippin up the stage - which is another thing that aaliyah couldnt do. so how was she supposed to be the next aaliyah?

who the hell would strive to be a novelty act in the 1st place?

the rest of this is stannery breh. youre better than this.





yea. i peeped that @SirBiatch clown's steez in a previous thread right before he came in here. i wasnt even trying to bother with bul. you broke it down for him, and hes still either in denial or just dumb as rocks.

what gets me is dude admits he doesnt know anything, but still came in here poking his chest out demanding receipts. just disrespectful.

there were threads on the t-pain thing:
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/t-pain-if-aaliyah-were-alive-everybody-would-say-she’s-copying-beyoncé.306587/
http://www.thecoli.com/threads/smh-t-pains-opinion-of-aaliyah.305653/

Ciara bigger than Aaliyah at her peak?Where when ?How? Are you basing this on the fact that in her lane she was pretty much at the top? Ciara even in a weak azz era,her "peak" was short as shyt....Who was her competition?Keri Hilson my nikka?

Are we really gon compare her to what Aaliyah was up against in her lane,and was still considered one of the big 3?I better not catch you getting hostile next time somebody mentions how big Drake is compared to a 90's act simply because he doesn't have to share a spotlight in a weak era...Theres no other way you could make such a statement without that being your argument,how about you just apologize for once,please don't try to convince us you right when the whole world know you wrong.

Just trust me dawg,she aint getting the love Aaliyah got period,love comes when you got 2 albums males and females alike consider classics or fukked with...Being that I cant think of too many females that can say that,why wouldn't Aaliyah still be talked about 20 years later?....longevity and being talked about after you finished comes from having classic bodys of work or being best of all time in at least one statistical category.

Wheres Ciaras classic albums?What is she considered the best at?one of the best dancers but that's about it....and stop rewriting history,yeah Ciaras a better dancer but lets not pretend females aint love doing Aaliyahs choreography,i witnessed at home, in the neighborhood,in school,in talent shows....Shiiiet,females did Brandys choreography,it was a different time and in that time Aaliyah was considered a bad dancer by no one except Wacky D apparently...unless you talkin shyt in hindsight like most of your arguments against Aliyah so far...and yea Ciara was supposed to be Aaliyah

minimal singing,great choregraphy,stomach always out,supposed to be the cool around the way chick,sexy but with a cool tomboyish style at times,cosigned and a protégé to a big name producer,this Aaliyah 101 and how to fail Aaliyah 101 miserably....if we stanning what your doing is pure hatred and delusion breh breh.

Now don't ever compare a one of one like Aaliyah to Ciara again breh unless its to mention influence,I'll be watching

*drops mic*

 

[SirBiatch]

Ciara bigger than Aaliyah at her peak?Where when ?How? Are you basing this on the fact that in her lane she was pretty much at the top? Ciara even in a weak azz era,her "peak" was short as shyt....Who was her competition?Keri Hilson my nikka?

Are we really gon compare her to what Aaliyah was up against in her lane,and was still considered one of the big 3?I

Don't expect Wackjob Duncecap to give you receipts. He's way into his feelings for that. Just a lil nikka popping off at the mouth. He was barely a teen when Aaliyah passed, if that. The fukk does he even know?

 

[KingMalik]

This nikka Wacky is crazy as fukk. I really think he's basing this "Aaliyah falling off narrative" off of the fact that We Need a Resolution and More Than a Woman weren't huge smash singles right out the gate. I remember Aaliyah coming on 106th & Park and debuting We Need a Resolution and the crowd was kinda But facts.......the facts.........as in what actually matters.........her album was her highest selling debut at 187,000 records first week. It was Gold before she died. Had she lived, the label would have pushed more singles. She only released 3 videos/singles, not 5-6 like the other two albums. Eventually it would have picked up more steam in the hood.....you know, the verifiable proof of commercial success that Wacky D seems to prefer "I Care 4 U" probably would have gotten a video. "I Miss You" would have been added to the deluxe (without the memorial stuff obviously). She would have went platinum. The end

 

[JustCKing]

I'm going to drop this in here too:

"The Detroit native made her first mark on the music scene back in 1994 with her debut, "Age Ain't Nothing But a Number." Since then, "Age" and 1996's "One in a Million" have sold more than 3 million copies, according to SoundScan."

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/79059/aaliyah-returns-to-music

^^^ This pretty much dispels the myth that Aaliyah was a distant third to Monica and Brandy. Those two albums alone sold more than Monica's catalog and this was before Aaliyah died. Soundscan had Monica at 4.8 million in 2009. This article is from July 2001. Monica had more #1's. She and Aaliyah were tied in regard to the amount of singles they charted.

"Being on the verge of superstardom is not all glitz and glamour. Just ask Aaliyah. The 22-year-old singer/actress is readying for a fast-paced day of interviews and photo shoots to promote her eponymous third album, released this week by Blackground/Virgin."

"Then came "Romeo Must Die." The 2000 action film, starring the singer and Jet Li, heightened her profile considerably. The film's soundtrack, which sold 1.5 million copies, didn't hurt either."

http://www.billboard.com/articles/news/79059/aaliyah-returns-to-music

^^^ Dispels the notion that Aaliyah was declining.

 

[Kaypain]

Nicki is #1?

Lauryn's Hill Lost Ones > Nikki's entire career

 

[Milk N Cookies]

Lauryn's Hill Lost Ones > Nikki's entire career

Exactly. that list was laughable. I was listening to Queen Latifa yesterday and ya know that is really missing from women in hip hop. Lyrics with actual depth, like her and Lauryn Hill provided.

 

[Wacky D]

Saying Aaliyah was on the downside of her career is just as ludicrous as someone saying she was Beyonce status before she died. Aaliyah scored her first #1 in 2000. Aaliyah was her biggest opening week. That album nearly sold 500K BEFORE she died, which was about a month after release. It didn't even have a run-away hit single.

It's laughable that people are throwing Mya into the conversation. She was featured on one hit records in 2001 ("Lady Marmalade" which also featured Christina Aguilera, Pink, Lil' Kim, and Missy Elliott). There wasn't an album, yet people are throwing her name out there like she was Alicia Keys, Mary J. Blige, and India.Arie that year.

As far as Ciara is concerned, Aaliyah wasn't as dependent on producers as Ciara. Once Jazze and her musical relationship dissolve, Ciara's career declined. Aaliyah's career was still intact AFTER R. Kelly. She had hit songs that weren't produced by Timbaland ("I Don't Wanna", "The One I Gave My Heart To"). She had hits with Timbaland BEFORE he blew up and became a go-to producer. Ciara peaked with her debut selling around the same amount of copies as Aaliyah's highest selling album. Ciara's second album sold half of what her first sold. Her third album didn't even get a certification and that album had singles featuring T-Pain (when just about every song he was on was a hit) and Justin Timberlake.

lol.

my man is rehashing his same ole arguments that people already shut down in this very thread last summer, as well as other threads.

im convinced this bul is aaliyah's brother or something.

 

[JustCKing]

lol.

this clown is rehashing the same ole arguments that people already shut down in this very thread last summer.

im convinced this bul is aaliyah's brother or something.

Shut down what exactly? You actually have to have facts to shut down an argument. It's quite easy to just rattle off random BS and attempt to pass it off as a fact without providing anything to back up the claims. When you can come up with a counter backed up by facts, that's how you shut down an argument.

 

[Wacky D]

I don't know if girls can simp but it's mutual lol

 

[Milk N Cookies]

im convinced this bul is aaliyah's brother or something.

 

[Wacky D]

Shut down what exactly? You actually have to have facts to shut down an argument. It's quite easy to just rattle off random BS and attempt to pass it off as a fact without providing anything to back up the claims. When you can come up with a counter backed up by facts, that's how you shut down an argument.

ive countered your entire post a gazillion times on this board, including this thread - probably multiple times.

youre a broken record breh. its either that or youre number-crunching or pulling random fluff-piece articles out of nowhere.

youre a nice guy, so i rarely ever come at your neck hard but dammit man, youre a headache waiting to happen.

Ciara bigger than Aaliyah at her peak?Where when ?How? Are you basing this on the fact that in her lane she was pretty much at the top? Ciara even in a weak azz era,her "peak" was short as shyt....Who was her competition?Keri Hilson my nikka?

Are we really gon compare her to what Aaliyah was up against in her lane,and was still considered one of the big 3?I better not catch you getting hostile next time somebody mentions how big Drake is compared to a 90's act simply because he doesn't have to share a spotlight in a weak era...Theres no other way you could make such a statement without that being your argument,how about you just apologize for once,please don't try to convince us you right when the whole world know you wrong.

Just trust me dawg,she aint getting the love Aaliyah got period,love comes when you got 2 albums males and females alike consider classics or fukked with...Being that I cant think of too many females that can say that,why wouldn't Aaliyah still be talked about 20 years later?....longevity and being talked about after you finished comes from having classic bodys of work or being best of all time in at least one statistical category.

Wheres Ciaras classic albums?What is she considered the best at?one of the best dancers but that's about it....and stop rewriting history,yeah Ciaras a better dancer but lets not pretend females aint love doing Aaliyahs choreography,i witnessed at home, in the neighborhood,in school,in talent shows....Shiiiet,females did Brandys choreography,it was a different time and in that time Aaliyah was considered a bad dancer by no one except Wacky D apparently...unless you talkin shyt in hindsight like most of your arguments against Aliyah so far...and yea Ciara was supposed to be Aaliyah

minimal singing,great choregraphy,stomach always out,supposed to be the cool around the way chick,sexy but with a cool tomboyish style at times,cosigned and a protégé to a big name producer,this Aaliyah 101 and how to fail Aaliyah 101 miserably....if we stanning what your doing is pure hatred and delusion breh breh.

Now don't ever compare a one of one like Aaliyah to Ciara again breh unless its to mention influence,I'll be watching

*drops mic*

- first & foremost, i advise you to look at the type of people that are dappin you in this thread before you get on your high horse and start 'droppin mics'.

- just because someone has good choreography, it doesnt make them a good dancer. BE SMART SON. your props should be given to the choreographer. not the chick struggling to keep up with the routine.

- you dont fully get the gist of whatever i said about drake. cuz i dont view him as even being on top of this era.

- and stop acting like aaliyah was ever in the adult lane in the '90s. you speak as if she was competing against mary, whitney, etc.

- ciara fell off after 2 albums? yes. so did aaliyah.

- what ciara took from aaliyah is that she followed her blueprint on how to get a flukey non-vocalist career going. but thats as far as it goes. ciara was a bigger draw than aaliyah for a reason. shes a legit performer, and theres always a place for that IN ANY ERA. thats the reason why she reached higher billing than aaliyah possibly could.

 

[JustCKing]

ive countered your entire post a gazillion times on this board, including this thread - probably multiple times.

youre a broken record breh. its either that or youre number-crunching or pulling random fluff-piece articles out of nowhere.

youre a nice guy, so i rarely ever come at your neck hard but dammit man, youre a headache.:mindblown




- first & foremost, i advise you to look at the type of people that are dappin you in this thread before you get on your high horse and start 'droppin mics'.

- just because someone has good choreography, it doesnt make them a good dancer. BE SMART SON. your props should be given to the choreographer. not the chick struggling to keep up with the routine.

- you dont fully get the gist of whatever i said about drake. cuz i dont view him as even being on top of this era.

- and stop acting like aaliyah was ever in the adult lane in the '90s. you speak as if she was competing against mary, whitney, etc.

- ciara fell off after 2 albums? yes. so did aaliyah.

- what ciara took from aaliyah is that she followed her blueprint on how to get a flukey non-vocalist career going. but thats as far as it goes. ciara was a bigger draw than aaliyah for a reason. shes a legit performer, and theres always a place for that IN ANY ERA. thats the reason why she reached higher billing than aaliyah possibly could.

You didn't offer up any counters. Your arguments were all filled with opinions that you tried to pass off as fact. When people asked you to back up any of your claims, all you did was come back with more opinions.

My number crunching weren't some imaginary numbers that I came with. They were facts backed up with Soundscans (you know the people who actually track things like this). The articles were posted as proof that I wasn't just spewing random opinions. I don't like posting something and not being able to back it up. I'll offer my two cents, but if it's something that I can't back up factually, I will straight up tell you it's my opinion and nothing more.

 

[JustCKing]

And I see the delusion continues if you think Ciara was ever bigger than Aaliyah. Ciara's declined with album #2, not the third. Ciara's second album sold half of what the first one did. None of Ciara's albums sold more than Aaliyah's. That's what I mean when people try to pass off their opinion as fact.