#AAGang how do you feel about African bed wenches eating off the feminist hustle?

[xoxodede]

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mainly true but early "pure" africans in virginia had slave-servants...this is before full blown race-based system was defined

Did a paper on Mr. Johnson - it’s a lot to explain but the two links below do the best.

Here’s more info:

Is “Political Correctness” “Wrecking History?”

Anthony Johnson: Not the First Slave Owner

 

[IllmaticDelta]

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Did a paper on Mr. Johnson - it’s a lot to explain but the two links below do the best.

Here’s more info:

Is “Political Correctness” “Wrecking History?”

Anthony Johnson: Not the First Slave Owner

I agree he wasn't the first slave owner......that's white people trying to look for an escape from slavery

 

[IllmaticDelta]

As the head of the largest branch of the Cherokee nation from 1828 to 1866, John Ross led the Cherokee through a period of profound cultural change. Under Ross's leadership, the Cherokee nation engaged in a historic and controversial legal battle to preserve their sovereignty and underwent a disastrous forced march from Georgia to Oklahoma.

Ross was born near Lookout Mountain, Tennessee, on October 3, 1790. Although he was only one-eighth Cherokee by blood, Cherokee cultural identity in the early 1800s was as much a matter of upbringing and choice as genetics, and Ross was raised and considered himself a Cherokee.

In 1809 at age nineteen, Ross was sent, at the behest of both U.S. officials and Cherokee leaders, to confer with the western Cherokee, who had accepted payments from the United States

in exchange for an agreement to relocate to Oklahoma. Ross's quiet and reserved manner inspired confidence among both whites and Indians, and his skill at easing the tensions with the western Cherokee greatly increased his influence within the Cherokee nation.

Ross served as President of the National Council of the Cherokee from 1819 to 1826 and became principal chief of the eastern Cherokee in 1828. He thought the Cherokee could benefit from adopting certain aspects of European-American culture. Accordingly, with the help of two other Cherokee leaders, Major Ridge and Charles Hicks, Ross convinced many Cherokee to convert from an economy based on hunting and the fur trade to one of agriculture. Some Cherokee adopted the Southern tradition of

slave-holding. By the 1830s many members of the Cherokee nation were among the wealthiest individuals in what is now north Georgia. Ross himself was a slaveholder with a two hundred–acre farm.

one of his influential descendants

Sometime back a letter sent to the editor Native American times by a thin blood member of the Cherokee Nation who bills herself as a story-teller and descendant of Cherokee chief John Ross. Her attack on Ms. Vann throughout her diatribe is neither unexpected, nor is it anything new. The letter could have been written during the 1960s in Alabama by any number of hood wearing denizens of the old South, all you have to do is replace Ms. Vann's name with that of Martin Luther King and the Cherokee Nation with Alabama and you have a repeat of history.

debunking

 

[xoxodede]

I agree he wasn't the first slave owner......that's white people trying to look for an escape from slavery

It also goes into his history and explains more. It was indentured servitude and not chattel slavery.

 

[xoxodede]

one of his influential descendants

Sometime back a letter sent to the editor Native American times by a thin blood member of the Cherokee Nation who bills herself as a story-teller and descendant of Cherokee chief John Ross. Her attack on Ms. Vann throughout her diatribe is neither unexpected, nor is it anything new. The letter could have been written during the 1960s in Alabama by any number of hood wearing denizens of the old South, all you have to do is replace Ms. Vann's name with that of Martin Luther King and the Cherokee Nation with Alabama and you have a repeat of history.

debunking

They did this all over and converted many Cherokee to Southern Baptist - and with that assimilation into their religion it also opened up them getting in. They don’t even have to have blood or be in the records. They just have to have someone on the reservation to say they are apart of the tribe.

Baptists | The Encyclopedia of Oklahoma History and Culture

The Baptist Churches and Slavery in Indian Territory

I saw this documentary:



It’s really good. This white man who was a racist and apart of the KKK acted like a native and they welcomed him with open arms.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

It also goes into his history and explains more. It was indentured servitude and not chattel slavery.

are you referring to him or his servants?

 

[BigMan]

I am a first generation Jamaican born in the Bronx, my family roots go back to Jamaica 100s of years, but I've always been ostracized and called Yankee boy because I wasn't born there, so I've never felt any cultural pride being Jamaican because I've always been excluded, when I see usain bolt, Bob Marley, or Patrick Ewing etc.. I've never felt anything because I've been told for so many years that I'm an African American, I will say this tho Ghana has reached out and acknowledged their role in the transatlantic slave trade and welcomed us back, my family is Jamaican maroons (from Ghana) that fought for independence and autonomy from the English, my mother used to say we were maroon indian (no such thing) but the maroons mixed with amerindians, tainos and mulattoes which created darker skin natives with smooth brown skin and "Dark straight hair" maybe some of the more experienced and we'll versed posters could give me insight

This the coli breh
You’re a dirty island nigra
Stop talking about American issues

 

[xoxodede]

are you referring to him or his servants?

Both. Mr. Johnson was brought over as an indentured servant in a tobacco plantation and the men and women he “owned” were also indentured servants.

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There was a real man named Anthony Johnson who was brought to Virginia as either an indentured servant or a slave (it’s not completely clear which) in 1621, whereupon he was put to work on a tobacco plantation. In the spring of 1622, Johnson was one of only five survivors on his plantation of an Indian attack. Johnson met and married Mary, a black woman, and they had four sons. They eventually bought their way out of bondage and were able to acquire some land. During the 1640s they raised livestock. By the 1650s they had over 250 acres of land.

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Northampton County Order
Book, 1655-1668, fol. 10.

The deposition of Captain Samuel Goldsmith taken (in open court) 8thof March Sayth, That beinge at the howse of Anthony Johnson Negro (about the beginninge of November last to receive a hogshead of tobacco) a Negro called John Casar came to this Deponent, and told him that hee came into Virginia for seaven or Eight yeares (per Indenture) And that hee had demanded his freedome of his master Anthony Johnson; And further said that Johnson had kept him his servant seaven yeares longer than hee ought, And desired that this deponent would see that hee might have noe wronge, whereupon your Deponent demanded of Anthony Johnson his Indenture, hee answered, hee never sawe any; The said Negro (John Casor) replyed, hee came for a certayne tyme and had an Indenture Anthony Johnson said hee never did see any But that hee had him for his life, Further this deponent saith That mr. Robert Parker and George Parker they knew that the said Negro had an Indenture ( anon Mr. Carye hundred on the other side of the Baye ) And the said Anthony Johnson did not tell the negro goe free The said John Casor would recover most of his Cowes of him; Then Anthony Johnson ( as this deponent did suppose) was in a feare. Upon this his Sonne in lawe, his wife and his 2 sonnes perswaded the said Anthony Johnson to sett the said John Casor free. more saith not Samuel Goldsmith This daye Anthony Johnson Negro made his complaint to the Court against mr. Robert Parker and declared that hee deteyneth his servant John Casor negro ( under pretence that the said Negro is a free man. )The Court seriously consideringe and maturely weighinge the premisses,doe fynde that the said Mr. Robert Parker most unjustly keepeth the said Negro from Anthony Johnson his master as appeareth by the deposition of Captain Samuel Goldsmith and many probable circumstances. It is therefore the Judgment of the Court and ordered That the said John Casor Negro forthwith returne unto the service of his said master Anthony Johnson, And that mr. Robert Parker make payment of all charge in the suit.


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Some blacks served only terms of usual length, but others were held for terms far longer than custom and statute permitted with white servants.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Both. Mr. Johnson was brought over as an indentured servant in a tobacco plantation and the men and women he “owned” were also indentured servants.


Some blacks served only terms of usual length, but others were held for terms far longer than custom and statute permitted with white servants.

Johnson was put to servitude but he was slave since he was captured in Africa against his will and didn't exactly volunteer to be an indentured servant in the americas in the same way white europeans did by contract.

 

[Iceson Beckford]

Africans get a bad rep because of the sheer raw numbers but Islanders are doing astronomical numbers percentage wise.

Whilst as people of the same colour I want AAs to suceed, some shyt is internal family business that doesnt need us outsiders constantly interjecting more problems and hatred.

You have made it clear you aint really fukking with us islanders like that and every diaspora country has their own issues to fix.

I know for a fact I got enough issues as Black British issues for me to be constantly forcing my way into a discussion I’m not even wanted in.

 

[Poitier]

Whilst as people of the same colour I want AAs to suceed, some shyt is internal family business that doesnt need us outsiders constantly interjecting more problems and hatred.

You have made it clear you aint really fukking with us islanders like that and every diaspora country has their own issues to fix.

I know for a fact I got enough issues as Black British issues for me to be constantly forcing my way into a discussion I’m not even wanted in.

I have no issues with Islanders.
Generally, I think we should all be breaking bread together.
I just like to make it clear who is doing what and I’ll always defend my people when attacked.

 

[Iceson Beckford]

I have no issues with Islanders.
Generally, I think we should all be breaking bread together.
I just like to make it clear who is doing what and I’ll always defend my people when attacked.

No smoke. I understand the tribalism. I’ve already told you that whilst it’s not something I participate in and I find it uncomfortable, I think AAs have every right to do it.

 

[Remo]

I'm confused. Feminism is for all women, not just American...

Did you not even try to read the thread?

 

[Elle Driver]

That’s one resource of many. Enslavement and treatment is mute to me — they still enslaved — withholding freedom is to me “just as worse.”

As we know, it was five tribes that practiced and engaged in chattel slavery. They also were pro-confederate and most of the five tribes and natives fought in the Confederate army to uphold/spread slavery. They also created laws that banned and stopped their same descendants from rights and property.

Two sets of my maternal 3rd Great Grandparents we’re enslaved by natives in Georgia then Alabama - I have done much research on the subject — I will share more resources later.

This is interesting.

I remember my grandma telling me that it was a native woman who went from mistress to wife and inherited slaves from her slave holding husband. Ion know how true that is.

 

[xoxodede]

This is interesting.

I remember my grandma telling me that it was a native woman who went from mistress to wife and inherited slaves from her slave holding husband. Ion know how true that is.

I would check into it. But, be ready - it’s so sickening to see your families names on a will and estate paper.

It will list “slaves” and you will see your families name next to a animal — then how much they were worth and who gets your family members and their descendants.

But, find your ancestors name and find who were they last to enslave them and search on Familysearch.org or Ancesrty under Wills and Estates and you will find a whole bunch of info — possibly more of your ancestors via a paper trail.