#AAGang how do you feel about African bed wenches eating off the feminist hustle?

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I hate c00ns whether they are AA or African or West Indian black.

That is all

 

[xoxodede]

the "Indians" of today on the east Coast are not the ones that africans encountered in the past. The "Indians" of today on the east Coast are pretty much white people

The Cherokee Nation chief, Chad Smith, right, and other tribal leaders are officially neutral on a vote to exclude blacks like Marilyn Vann. Left two photographs by Paul Hellstern for The New York Times; Right, Associated Press





Putting to a Vote the Question ‘Who Is Cherokee?’

Defintelty not. But, due to assimilation and racism they have become more white than anything.

Whites have claimed NA more than Blacks and they are more welcomed than Blacks.

Did you see this doc?

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Defintelty not. But, due to assimilation and racism they have become more white than anything.

Whites have claimed NA more than Blacks and they are more welcomed than Blacks.

this goes back to indian mixed bloods (mixed with white) being passed down from their white fathers how to run the tribe which came with the anti-black racism

Black slavery in America usually evokes images of the antebellum South, but few realize that members of the Five Civilized Tribes--the Cherokees, Choctaws, Chickasaws, Creeks, and Seminoles--in Indian Territory, today's Oklahoma, also had slaves. Like their counterparts in the South, Indian slaveholders feared slave revolts. Those fears came true in 1842 when slaves in the Cherokee Nation made a daring dash for freedom.

In the 1830s and 1840s, initially at the insistence of President Andrew Jackson, the United States government forcibly removed the Five Civilized Tribes from their homes in Mississippi, Alabama, Tennessee, North Carolina, Georgia, and Florida to Indian Territory west of the Mississippi River. Their removal opened the lands to white settlers and planters.

When they moved, all of the tribes took with them established systems of slavery. Mixed-blood Indians, the offspring of white traders and frontiersmen who married Indian women, were the principal slaveholders in the tribes, largely because their fathers had taught them the economics of slavery. Those mixed-blood Indians remained tribal members and became important middlemen between white settlers and Indian communities.

Many Cherokees depended on black slaves as a bridge to white to white society. Full-blood Indian slave owners relied on the blacks as English interpreters and translators.

http://theconsciouscommunity.blogspot.com/2011/10/cherokee-slave-revolt-of-1842-american.html


more here

https://books.google.com/books?id=L... principal slaveholders in the tribes&f=false

Did you see this doc?

na...but Im aware of the topic

 

[Grano-Grano]

This is a misrepresentation of the facts.

Then tell me oh wise one

 

[AlainLocke]

white people did go to africa to get slaves but it only went down because africans were in on it. Africans didn't know how race based slavery was going to develop in the Americas though 5 Civilized tribes did have slaves which was introduced to them by whites and handled by white/indian mixed breeds but I wouldn't compare it to what whites were doing with their slaves. Most of the Indian tribes outside of the 5 Civilized ones didn't have slaves and they DID let africans hide out and then mixed with them. That isn't fantasy at all.

I know the Europeans and Africans had a thing going on regarding slavery. And that whole "They didn't know how bad it is..." is not a damn excuse. That's the sorriest excuse in the book. They knew what was going to happen. The African traders families were educated in Europe and shyt. Some of them even ran the ships. They knew what was going on, they weren't ignorant of the world. They just didn't care what was going to happen.

The key tribe that people like to point to that let Africans hang out with them were the Seminoles (a Civilized tribe) and those Africans were their slaves too. And Native American slavery was just as bad as cracker slavery. They went from being a European owned slave, to an Native American owned slaves. And even those Native American tribes that had Africans among them...when they got that check from the government...those African descendants didn't get any money...cause they weren't considered Native American by Native Americans even though they lived with them for decades.

And yeah, a Native American groups like the Iroquois had a history of being friendly with African slaves and letting them in and having them as equals and not slaves.

My point is based on class and it's about stop letting every other class group, ethnic group or race coming around, talking that "We are all in the same boat..." because we are not. Stop letting these rich nikkas start saying..."We are all in the same boat..." cause we are not. Throughout our pre-emancipation history as US Blacks...we were passed around, in a subservient position, whether we were around Europeans, Native Americans or free capitalist plantation owning Blacks.

You was fukked over no matter where you went unless you was with people that were like you. Then hundreds of years later, the descendants of these people exploiting the history of our struggle that THEY CAUSED. And here we are, believing in historical fantasies like Africans did not participate in the slave trade or Native Americans were our allies...and not pointing the finger at those that put us in the position we are just because they are not White. The slave trade wouldn't have happened without African cooperation and without Africans benefiting from it. Native Americans, no matter if they were the five civilized tribes...had slaves...that were African that they exploited and until this day they do not recognize, thus they do not receive the benefits of being a Native American.

As Native Born US Blacks, we need to become more class conscious and less Non-Whites vs. White people because that was never how it was. There is layers to our exploitation.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

I know the Europeans and Africans had a thing going on regarding slavery. And that whole "They didn't know how bad it is..." is not a damn excuse. That's the sorriest excuse in the book. They knew what was going to happen. The African traders families were educated in Europe and shyt. Some of them even ran boats. They knew what was going on, they weren't ignorant of the world. They just didn't care what was going to happen.

africans w/o doubt knew about the slaves they traded to white people but didn't know of the racialied workings that were to come

The key tribe that people like to point to that let Africans hang out with them were the Seminoles and those Africans were their slaves too. And Native American slavery was just as bad as cracker slavery.

actually it wasn't for the most part

They went from being a European owned slave, to an Native American owned slaves. Still a slave. And even those Native American tribes that had Africans among them...when they got that check from the government...those African descendants didn't get any money...cause they weren't considered Native American by Native Americans even though they lived with them for hundreds of years.

actually many did

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and for the ones that didn't I already explained why

My point is based on class and it's about stop letting every other class group, ethnic group or race coming around, talking that "We are all in the same boat..." because we are not. Stop letting these rich nikkas start saying..."We are all in the same boat..." cause we are not. Throughout our pre-emancipation history as US Blacks...we were passed around, in a subservient position, whether we were around Europeans, Native Americans or free capitalist plantation owning Blacks.

That's my point. You was fukked over no matter where you went. Then hundreds of years later, the same people are exploiting our history that THEY CAUSED. And here we are, believing in fantasies and not pointing the finger at those that put us in the position we are just because they are not White. The slave trade wouldn't have happened without African cooperation and without Africans benefiting from it. Native Americans, no matter if they were the five civilized tribes...had slaves...that were African.

We need to become more class conscious and less Everyone non-White vs. White people because that was never how it was.

true

 

[xoxodede]

I know the Europeans and Africans had a thing going on regarding slavery. And that whole "They didn't know how bad it is..." is not a damn excuse. That's the sorriest excuse in the book. They knew what was going to happen. The African traders families were educated in Europe and shyt. Some of them even ran boats. They knew what was going on, they weren't ignorant of the world. They just didn't care what was going to happen.

The key tribe that people like to point to that let Africans hang out with them were the Seminoles and those Africans were their slaves too. And Native American slavery was just as bad as cracker slavery. They went from being a European owned slave, to an Native American owned slaves. Still a slave. And even those Native American tribes that had Africans among them...when they got that check from the government...those African descendants didn't get any money...cause they weren't considered Native American by Native Americans even though they lived with them for hundreds of years.

My point is based on class and it's about stop letting every other class group, ethnic group or race coming around, talking that "We are all in the same boat..." because we are not. Stop letting these rich nikkas start saying..."We are all in the same boat..." cause we are not. Throughout our pre-emancipation history as US Blacks...we were passed around, in a subservient position, whether we were around Europeans, Native Americans or free capitalist plantation owning Blacks.

You was fukked over no matter where you went unless you was with people that were like you. Then hundreds of years later, the descendants of these people exploiting our history that THEY CAUSED. And here we are, believing in historical fantasies and not pointing the finger at those that put us in the position we are just because they are not White. The slave trade wouldn't have happened without African cooperation and without Africans benefiting from it. Native Americans, no matter if they were the five civilized tribes...had slaves...that were African that they exploited and until this day they do not recognize, thus they do not receive the benefits of being a Native American.

As Native Born US Blacks, we need to become more class conscious and less Everyone non-White vs. White people because that was never how it was. There is layers to our exploitation.

Agree on everything but ...

Those free “black” owners were not black and didn’t identify as “black” — they were mulatto. The majority of black people who where indeed black who owned slaves owned their family and friends to free them. The highest # of “black slave owners” were in NO and they were not Black.

Many of these slave-owners were mulatto, which was in fact a separate census designation in the early 19th century. In Charleston and New Orleans, and probably in Mobile, Pensacola, and Savannah, being a mulatto meant an elevated status. In the first two cities mentioned, mullattoes established separate social institutions apart from "purer" Africans.

Mobile, Alabama, along with New Orleans and Charleston, were Confederate cities with a mixed-race population. Mixed-race people in the southern portions of Louisiana and Alabama were often called creoles or black creoles. Many of them were so light that they could pass for white, and often had much more in common with their white cousins than with their black cousins. Importantly, many of these creoles wanted to serve in the armed forces of the Confederate States of America (CSA).

 

[MajorVitaman]

this is why i give africans & islanders the when they try and shame us for talking about whats going on in africa and everywhere else. But they stay trying to shape our narrative and play both sides of the fence.

 

[Jesus Bhrist]

I am a first generation Jamaican born in the Bronx, my family roots go back to Jamaica 100s of years, but I've always been ostracized and called Yankee boy because I wasn't born there, so I've never felt any cultural pride being Jamaican because I've always been excluded, when I see usain bolt, Bob Marley, or Patrick Ewing etc.. I've never felt anything because I've been told for so many years that I'm an African American, I will say this tho Ghana has reached out and acknowledged their role in the transatlantic slave trade and welcomed us back, my family is Jamaican maroons (from Ghana) that fought for independence and autonomy from the English, my mother used to say we were maroon indian (no such thing) but the maroons mixed with amerindians, tainos and mulattoes which created darker skin natives with smooth brown skin and "Dark straight hair" maybe some of the more experienced and we'll versed posters could give me insight

 

[xoxodede]

I am a first generation Jamaican born in the Bronx, my family roots go back to Jamaica 100s of years, but I've always been ostracized and called Yankee boy because I wasn't born there, so I've never felt any cultural pride being Jamaican because I've always been excluded, when I see usain bolt, Bob Marley, or Patrick Ewing etc.. I've never felt anything because I've been told for so many years that I'm an African American, I will say this tho Ghana has reached out and acknowledged their role in the transatlantic slave trade and welcomed us back, my family is Jamaican maroons (from Ghana) that fought for independence and autonomy from the English, my mother used to say we were maroon indian (no such thing) but the maroons mixed with amerindians, tainos and mulattoes which created darker skin natives with smooth brown skin and "Dark straight hair" maybe some of the more experienced and we'll versed posters could give me insight

I’m well read on Maroons but only those in the Americas.

I always recommend that people do their family tree. It’s the best way to trace where your ancestors lived and it helps you figure out more about them — or atleast give you clues to do more extensive research on the locations.

You then can figure out if they indeed were close to maroon communities. You may even be able to find out the community locations and find out more about their lifestyle/culture.

Jamaican Maroons from what I do know had many communities and some were enslaved Africans who escaped and then some were mixed communities of escaped Africans and mulattoes and a few Tainos- but not many.

It’s a lot of resources on Jamaican Maroons but you have to do your homework to know which set and community your ancestors most likely were apart of.

You may want to read: https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/0865435650/ref=pd_aw_sim_14_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=N7QZ9HMF245FS7VH8XB2&dpPl=1&dpID=91T+skp4fxL

 

[im_sleep]

I am sure you heard about this right?

Judge Rules That Cherokee Freedmen Have Right To Tribal Citizenship

Yup I heard about it.

As far as I’m concerned they can pay what they owe, but I’m cool off that membership shyt.

 

[im_sleep]

Defintelty not. But, due to assimilation and racism they have become more white than anything.

Whites have claimed NA more than Blacks and they are more welcomed than Blacks.

Did you see this doc?

Yeah a lot of folks don’t realized that Natives were a buffer class between Black and White.

A lot of them Cherokee/Blackfoot/etc princess great-grandma’s that these white folks will proudly claim were really just mulattoes passing into whiteness.

That’s what made the Loving story so comical to me. People sat back and really acted like it was some barrier breaking event when in real life Mildred’s Black ass was like, “I don’t see what the big deal is, I’m Indian”

 

[xoxodede]

Yeah a lot of folks don’t realized that Natives were a buffer class between Black and White.

A lot of them Cherokee/Blackfoot/etc princess great-grandma’s that these white folks will proudly claim were really just mulattoes passing into whiteness.

That’s what made the Loving story so comical to me. People sat back and really acted like it was some barrier breaking event when in real life Mildred’s Black ass was like, “I don’t see what the big deal is, I’m Indian”

Same for us though.... we swear we have native blood but nope — just white.

But, white people have literally no native blood and they live on reservations and getting benefits.

It’s so sad...

 

[im_sleep]

Same for us though.... we swear we have native blood but nope — just white.

But, white people have literally no native blood and they live on reservations and getting benefits.

It’s so sad...

I see them $5 Indians all the damn time, shyt is pathetic.

And on my mom’s side I got straight up fam on reservations lol, it’s not a big deal but I have noticed those “we different” vibes at times.


My paternal grandma’s side is all mixed the hell up. Nobodies taken a dna test yet, but they all come outta those mixed tri-racial isolate type groups of Black folks. They don’t really make a big deal of it, but the part Indian claims are still there even tho I’m skeptical on alot of it.

 

[IllmaticDelta]

Agree on everything but ...

Those free “black” owners were not black and didn’t identify as “black” — they were mulatto. The majority of black people who where indeed black who owned slaves owned their family and friends to free them. The highest # of “black slave owners” were in NO and they were not Black.

Many of these slave-owners were mulatto, which was in fact a separate census designation in the early 19th century. In Charleston and New Orleans, and probably in Mobile, Pensacola, and Savannah, being a mulatto meant an elevated status. In the first two cities mentioned, mullattoes established separate social institutions apart from "purer" Africans.

Mobile, Alabama, along with New Orleans and Charleston, were Confederate cities with a mixed-race population. Mixed-race people in the southern portions of Louisiana and Alabama were often called creoles or black creoles. Many of them were so light that they could pass for white, and often had much more in common with their white cousins than with their black cousins. Importantly, many of these creoles wanted to serve in the armed forces of the Confederate States of America (CSA).

mainly true but early "pure" africans in virginia had slave-servants...this is before full blown race-based system was defined