A Wiseman Told Me Never Argue With Fools: Official 2021 Warriors Season Thread

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I see you @LuckyLibra619

 

[Dwight Howard]

The very fact that the player who they draft isn't going to play a "huge role" and is going to be a "4th option at best" is all the more reason why upside doesn't mean a cotdamn thing in this context. The Warriors aren't drafting for a player to build around, which is why Wiseman's potential is irrelevant. Who they draft should be prioritized on who helps them win right now, which would be a player who fits the description of the strengths of this Warriors offense.

So yes, it does matter if they're using the #2 pick on someone who's only going to be setting picks and rolling to the rim next season.

Wiseman would likely start next season and would play a clearly defined role as an athletic rim-running big. Deni is more of an "upside" player who would likely come off-the bench and wouldnt have a defined role in the offense. He's a Jack-of-all trades type player who isnt going to be 'NBA' good at anything in the immediate future. So you're talking about this hypothetical role, what is it?

 

[FaTaL]

He's a lot more proven than someone who's barely played any competitive basketball in the last two years.

Expand into what? How will this expanded role come to be? What will his role be in the playoffs next season?

Y'all nikkas keep talking up all this upside that Wiseman has, yet you keep tapering this shyt with him setting picks and rolling to the rim. Is that all y'all hope he can provide over the next 1-2 years?

Year 1
Defense
rebounding
blocking shots
set picks
hit a occasional midrange shot, hopefully one per game

honestly i think he’ll have the opportunity to post up inside because defenses will sag towards the splash bro’s leaving him 1 on 1

 

[LuckyLibra619]

I see you @LuckyLibra619

It is what it is fam, most of us want Wiseman you want Deni
I won't bother trying to convince you, I'm not tryna get into an endless argument

 

[Chabot College]

@Gil Scott-Heroin I think the disconnect you're having is that while Warriors fans want to win now, we also want a potential franchise player to look forward to later. We're not willing to pass on BPA just because another player will slightly increase our odds of winning in the immediate future.

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

@Gil Scott-Heroin I think the disconnect you're having is that while Warriors fans want to win now, we also want a potential franchise player to look forward to later. We're not willing to pass on BPA just because another player will slightly increase our odds of winning in the immediate future.

And we never had an allstar center in most of our lifetimes.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Wiseman would likely start next season and would play a clearly defined role as an athletic rim-running big. Deni is more of an "upside" player who would likely come off-the bench and wouldnt have a defined role in the offense. He's a Jack-of-all trades type player who isnt going to be 'NBA' good at anything in the immediate future. So you're talking about this hypothetical role, what is it?

This is why I can't be bothered going back and forth with you. You see shyt far too much in black and white.

It is what it is fam, most of us want Wiseman you want Deni
I won't bother trying to convince you, I'm not tryna get into an endless argument

I don't want Deni, at all.

He's merely a representation of what this team needs to maximize their chances of winning next season. His style of play is Warriors basketball; he represents all that this team has built their success on, while simultaneously fulfilling a desperate need - spacing/shooting in the frontcourt. Because at it currently stands, the Warriors' spacing is horrific, and it's arguably in a worse state than it's ever been at any point during this run (not counting last season). Wiseman is an idealized representation of a position that is becoming extinct and has had no bearing on the success of this team.

Warriors need Deni-type players who can provide shooting, versatility, playmaking, and don't need the ball to be effective. The Warriors don't need Wiseman-type players who are quite literally the antithesis to the brand of basketball they play.

 

[Dwight Howard]

This is why I can't be bothered going back and forth with you. You see shyt far too much in black and white.





I don't want Deni, at all.

He's merely a representation of what this team needs to maximize their chances of winning next season. His style of play is Warriors basketball; he represents all that this team has built their success on, while simultaneously fulfilling a desperate need - spacing/shooting in the frontcourt. Because at it currently stands, the Warriors' spacing is horrific, and it's arguably in a worse state than it's ever been at any point during this run (not counting last season). Wiseman is an idealized representation of a position that is becoming extinct and has had no bearing on the success of this team.

Warriors need Deni-type players who can provide shooting, versatility, playmaking, and don't need the ball to be effective. The Warriors don't need Wiseman-type players who are quite literally the antithesis to the brand of basketball they play.

You cant argue back because you dont have one. Who gives a damn if player can do a variety of things if they arent good at either of them in instant future. You refuse to answer the question about his specific role because you know he wont have one. Versatility isnt a role.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Gil Scott-Heroin I think the disconnect you're having is that while Warriors fans want to win now, we also want a potential franchise player to look forward to later. We're not willing to pass on BPA just because another player will slightly increase our odds of winning in the immediate future.

Increasing odds of winning in the immediate future with a once-in-a-lifetime core is better than banking on whatever the hell Wiseman will be years from now.

And we never had an allstar center in most of our lifetimes.

The center position is near redundant. There's a reason why traditional centers have been phased out of the game. I must ask: do you care more about fulfilling a want based on archaic sensibilities or winning? Because if you cared about the latter, an "allstar center" would be the last thing you'd be thinking about right now.

 

[sfgiants]

Almost time

 

[tjax03]

What does this have to do with the Warriors?

All you're basically saying here is Wiseman has more upside than Deni, which isn't really the argument. This is about who can help maximize this team's closing championship window. That player needs to be versatile, play without the ball, can shoot, experienced, and can play within a motion offense.

You can't see the forest for the trees.

Its that US basketball bias. They dont even think Euros exist until they are drafted.


Deni fits the scheme better than Wiseman.

Not saying Warriors dont take Wiseman, but this team is different than other NBA teams. They dont go for the public pick. They know their scheme and stick to it

 

[tjax03]

Kerr is a Pop Disciple and Played with David Robinson, he's getting Wiseman. Kerr knows you need a big man we had Bogut, ZaZa and Cousins, what the hell y'all talking about. Just Gibberish

two of them dudes are Euros


I would be suprised if they trade for URang

 

[Scholar]

Looks like the Knick will try to trade for 2.

We get 8 & 23 in return plus a player

 

[KingBeez]

How much we giving up for Oubre?

I say throw hella picks at them (besides the wolves 21’)

 

[G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman]

Increasing odds of winning in the immediate future with a once-in-a-lifetime core is better than banking on whatever the hell Wiseman will be years from now.

The center position is near redundant. There's a reason why traditional centers have been phased out of the game. I must ask: do you care more about fulfilling a want based on archaic sensibilities or winning? Because if you cared about the latter, an "allstar center" would be the last thing you'd be thinking about right now.

I care about going up against the Lakers, Nuggets, Suns, Mavs, Jazz in the playoffs for the next few years and having a center that can be better than theirs or at least make theirs have a bad night.