A Song of Ice & Fire by George R.R. Martin: Book Discussion Thread

[5n0man]

I just wanted to pop in and say that ASOS is the best book I've ever read. shyt was exhausting too.

shyt was and

 

[Listen]

I dunno about that sheit tonight.

Spoiler

this portrayal of Quarth and Dany has me fuming. Now someone murdered all her peoples and stole her dragons?

 

[MF DRUGS]

I dunno about that sheit tonight.

Spoiler

this portrayal of Quarth and Dany has me fuming. Now someone murdered all her peoples and stole her dragons?

First time I've been shocked watching season 2 since I've read the books not sure how I feel about them going away from the book

 

[detroitwalt]

I like the twist they threw in with Dany. Her shyt was kinda boring until this. Y'all think that's the House of the Undying he walking to?

 

[Jmare007]

They did the TV series a favor. Danny's character and storyline becomes unbearable as the story progresses.

 

[labelplant]

can't wait for Ramsay... He has to be in the next episode right?

And Tywin is OG

 

[detroitwalt]

Was Ramsey there when Theon "killed" Bran and Rickon?

 

[Microfracture]

Was Ramsey there when Theon "killed" Bran and Rickon?

Showed up shortly after that and Reek'd him

 

[manyfaces]

I like the twist they threw in with Dany. Her shyt was kinda boring until this. Y'all think that's the House of the Undying he walking to?

That's my guess. I don't know if I'm feeling the change, but I think it's just gonna come to the same conclusion. She sees all the crazy shyt, gets the prophetic 3 dragons revelation, and the dragons burn down the house in the end, beef ensues.

The change could be a good thing though, because on screen her story has definitely been getting stale. If HBO gonna keep the dragons under wraps most of the time for budget reasons, then they gotta find some other way to liven her story up. Her Dragons were always her ultimate bargaining chip, and without them her story gets pretty boring much earlier than it did in the book (cause it def hit that point by ADWD).

Now what I don't like is how they have Littlefinger's hand's in everything, right on fukking screen. I think they're fukking up some of mystique and shadiness of his character by having him with so much direct involvement in everything. This nikka was at Renly's camp negotiating, Harrenhal with Tywin, knows how the Hounds face got burnt by his brother, they just got him doing to much. He doesn't feel as manipulative when you clearly see his involvement with everybody. It's much more effective in the book to me when it's revealed he was behind the shady shyt on some

 

[kevm3]

There was a huge gap between a Feast for Crows and a Dance with Dragons. I really hope there isn't such a huge gap between the last two.

 

[Shogun]

I think I like the show making some changes. Part of me always wishes I hadn't read the books when the show is on. So when they change shyt it keeps me on my toes.....

If you want the same exact story from the books....read the books

 

[colicolicoli]

I think I like the show making some changes. Part of me always wishes I hadn't read the books when the show is on. So when they change shyt it keeps me on my toes.....

This. Loved the deviation.

 

[Listen]

That's my guess. I don't know if I'm feeling the change, but I think it's just gonna come to the same conclusion. She sees all the crazy shyt, gets the prophetic 3 dragons revelation, and the dragons burn down the house in the end, beef ensues.

The change could be a good thing though, because on screen her story has definitely been getting stale. If HBO gonna keep the dragons under wraps most of the time for budget reasons, then they gotta find some other way to liven her story up. Her Dragons were always her ultimate bargaining chip, and without them her story gets pretty boring much earlier than it did in the book (cause it def hit that point by ADWD).

Now what I don't like is how they have Littlefinger's hand's in everything, right on fukking screen. I think they're fukking up some of mystique and shadiness of his character by having him with so much direct involvement in everything. This nikka was at Renly's camp negotiating, Harrenhal with Tywin, knows how the Hounds face got burnt by his brother, they just got him doing to much. He doesn't feel as manipulative when you clearly see his involvement with everybody. It's much more effective in the book to me when it's revealed he was behind the shady shyt on some

I agree.

The Arya sheit has bothered me some too, but whatever, she traveled a lot in this book, and that makes for some boring ass TV.

Side note:

Any of you ever read the detailed recaps on Westeros.com?

Their GREAT and do all the work for you on exactly what changed, etc. from the books.

You can find every episode recapped here: http://www.westeros.org/GoT/Episodes/

If you pick and episode and then scroll down to the Book Spoiler Analysis, its dope. Below that, they do a section called Book to Screen.

Here is what they have for this last episode:

Book to Screen

The episode covers the following chapters of A Clash of Kings: Bran VI, elements of Theon IV, V, and VI, Jon VI, Tyrion IX, Daenerys III, and Arya VIII

Changes of note, chapter-by-chapter:

Bran VI: This and the various elements from the Theon chapters turn this whole sequence into something a bit new, while retaining perfectly the voice of the novels. Bran’s surrender of the castle, the details of how it was taken, Theon’s behavor—it all pretty much matches. The most notable difference, in the material from the Bran VI chapter, is that Mikken the smith is not killed—his protests are instead given to Farlen the kennemaster, who is merely clubbed for his troubles. Other differences include the fact that Luwin was bleeding from a wound above his eye in the novel, abuse from the ironmen as they captured him, and the fact that Reek has gone uncast and so is not present. Osha’s offer to join Theon is also not rejected in the novel—he lets her keep the spear she wrests away from one of his men.

Theon V: The killing of Farlen in the novel is given instead to the executio nof Ser Rodrik, down to the fact that it takes multiple blows (with a sword, in the show; with an axe, in the novel) to achieve. The circumstances of Farlen’s death are quite different, however.

Theon VI: Some of the exchange between Theon and Ser Rodrik are drawn directly from the novel in this chapter. Ser Rodrik doesn’t call Theon a “turncloak” however, as he does in the novel.

Jon VI: This scene largely follows the novel, up to the point where Jon chooses not to kill Ygritte, although it should be noted that it’s Stonesnake who accompanies Jon, and Qhorin himself is hours away. After that moment where Jon refuses, however, her flight from him is new material, as is their time alone as they wait for Qhorin to find them. The story of Bael the Bard and the song of the winter rose go untold.

Tyrion IX: The scene is fairly close to the novel, with some distinct changes—not just in scope, but in details. Princess Myrcella is specifically noted as to not cry, for one thing. On the other hand, we do see a knight of the Kingsguard is accompanying her, just as in the novel—this knight is Ser Arys Oakheart. Another change is the fact that Ser Preston Greenfield of the Kingsguard is killed when he rides back to try and help the High Septon as he’s beset by the mob, but it seems no Kingsguard are killed during the scene. As Tyrek Lannister has not been cast, his disappearance during the riot also doesn’t come into play, much as Lollys Stokeworth’s gang rape is not an issue. Perhaps most significantly, Joffrey’s fumbling attempt at charity (only when prompted by Sansa) in the face of the horrors of starvation does not happen here, while it’s the trigger for the riot in the novel. Another change is the fact that Cersei does not tell the Kingsguard to leave Tyrion alone after he has beaten Joffrey (which included some kicks as the boy kingcowers), clearly realizing that Tyrion is in the right; instead Cersei is utterly absent once she’s brought within the walls of the castle. Finally, in the novel the Hound rescues Sansa as a man is about to pull her from her horse, whereas in the show she saves her from several men who plan to rape her.

Daenerys III: Very, very loosely, the scene with the Spice King (and the un-shown scenes with the Silk King and Copper King) might be said to fall within the scope of this chapter, as it features Daenerys being turned down by the jaded, worldy-weary pureborn. The killing of Xaro’s guards, the theft of the dragons, and—in particular—the murder of Irri are not from the novel whatsoever.

Arya VII: The death of Amory Lorch corresponds very, very loosely to this chapter, as the second death that Jaqen grants Arya happens in this chapter. However, the circumstances of the killing are very different, not least because it’s Weese, the cruel understeward, whom Arya has Jaqen kill rather than a suspicious Lorch. It’s worth noting that Lorch is not killed until later in the novel, and the circumstances of his own death are very different.

Theon IV: The escape of the children takes place thanks to Osha’s intervention, as here… but in the novel, she never sleeps with Theon (nor would Theon want to—the Osha of the novel is a deal older and much less attractive than Natalia Tena). He is asleep next to a woman, however, when they escape, much as in the show—but that woman is Kyra, a girl from the winterton that he’s taken as his bed warmer.

 

[detroitwalt]

Big Walder and Little Walder aren't in the show either.

One question, do y'all think that Coldhands, the wight that got Bran and the Reeds to cave, is Benjen? I think so, since it's just assumed that he was killed when he never returned.

 

[duck]

Big Walder and Little Walder aren't in the show either.

One question, do y'all think that Coldhands, the wight that got Bran and the Reeds to cave, is Benjen? I think so, since it's just assumed that he was killed when he never returned.

good chance. it is stated coldhands is dressed in all black...just like a nighwatchman would be