A show of hands, who is abstaining from voting in this election??

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1) I never received any stimulus check?

2) My wife, daughter, and my health insurance is provided by my employer.

3) I am responsible with my credit, so this doesn't help me

4) I borrowed the money, why shouldn'y I pay it back??


That stimulus was not given to the middle class it was appropriated to programs and departments to help spur job creation. Not one middle class family received a check from that "stimulus". What is also did was provide funds for a food stamp program and subsidized housing program which benefited the poor


I actually agree with the premise of Obama's healthcare act, however it is not Healthcare reform, it is Insurance reform. I agree with mandating that everyone purchase insurance, as it will help curb costs that tax payers incur from paying for non insureds emergency room visits, but i do not agree with providing a subsidy for someone who cannot afford it. Too many able bodied people who choose to not work benefit.


I agree with the passage of the credit card reform act.


The student loan forgiveness act is good in theory but it sends the wrong message. Any person who borrows money does so knowing what they are getting into. There is a cost associated with getting an education. This is why educated individuals command more and earn more money in their lifetimes that those without college degrees. Forgiving student loan debt is not right and it sends the message that we don't have to pay our bills. Now I do agree with some principles of the bill, such as allowing for payments that are in proportion to income earned and the consolidation of loans but I do not find it fair that you can forgive a debt after a number of years. People should be required to pay back what they borrow.

First off, before anything else, I want to say it's laughable that we're even having a discussion about whether Obama's policies favor the middle class or the poor, when in reality, the wealthy have been the ones who have most benefited from Obama's presidency. The Treasury pumped money into the big banks and held no one accountable for the massive fraud that caused the financial collapse, and there was quantitative easing (by the Fed, but with the blessing of the administration, I'm sure), no new taxes for rich, and nothing done for peoples' shrinking home values. The top 1% got 93% of the income growth since 2010.

So the notion that the poor is who Obama is gearing policy toward is :laff: worthy. You saying that is once again indicative of your surface-level mainstream media talking point/platitude-driven erroneous view of things.

1. I'm not sure why you're talking about not receiving stimulus check. Stimulus in the form of checks to taxpayers is the weaker, less effective form of stimulus. Obama's stimulus which took the Keynesian approach of the government acting as as public spender when private spending has came to a halt and cutting taxes for those most like to spend it is more effective method. And it worked. It created or saved 2.5 millions jobs and added 3.8% GDP growth according to the CBO and other major economic research firms. Creating jobs and and growing GDP is policy geared to helping the middle class. They could've just gave people checks, but it wouldn't have done nearly as much to improve the economy, though it would've been more popular because people are ignorant.

2. The Affordable Care Act, which isn't even fully implemented until 2014, has already worked to reduce the rate of increase in healthcare costs. And it has prevented people from being denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions and eliminated costs for preventative healthcare. So your daughter and your wife are spending less out of their pocket because all their papsmears, mammograms, flu shots, etc. is covered. You talk about how covering the uninsured was geared toward the poor, but in reality, making poor people pay into the system as opposed to draining emergency services and hospitals, which is the most inefficient method is bringing costs down overall. Making the healthcare system more efficient and less expensive, and thus less out-of-pocket costs is geared to helping the middle class. The insurance companies and the drug companies more of course...but you get the picture.

3. The credit card reform bill prevented credit card companies from raising your rates without default. You know they could do that before and were on the verge of doing so before the credit card reform bill passed right? People were already getting letters telling them their rates were going to be raised in the wake of the financial meltdown...paying customers who never missed a payment. The credit card reform bill nixed that. I even got a letter from my credit card company myself telling me they were going to raise my rate and I argued with them on the phone for a long time. Then they passed the credit card reform bill and it stopped them. A lot more good provisions in there too. Credit CARD Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Obama's a dumb ass for not bragging more about that. It helped a lot of people, most of whom probably don't even know it.

4. The student loan thing, you obviously don't even know what you're talking about at all. You're confused. The student loan reform bill didn't forgive debt. What the student loan reform bill did remove the middle man from college loans. Instead of Bank of America or Chase being the loaner, now the federal government is, and the loans are at a lower rate. My wife's student loan rate went down by over 2% after the government took over from Bank of America on her loan.

All of those policies are geared toward benefiting the middle class. And there's more I didn't mention, and more that got blocked in the Congress, notably the American Jobs Act. But in summary, Obama's policies primarily benefited the rich, just as Romney's would, he did do some good things for the middle class, and no politician at a presidential level gives a fukk about the poor other than the bare minimum of keeping them from starving and being homeless.
 

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Another ignorant low-information voter. I'm typing a post right now where I talk about how Obama's policies have benefited the rich more than anyone else. I guess that makes me an Obamabot. :aicmon:

You've proven repeatedly you don't know anything. I'm tired of these low-information dudes thinking they're entitled to open their mouth with a strident opinion.

Of all the people here who talk about not voting, or voting for a 3rd party, the only people I can think of that are actually intelligent and knowledgeable about the issues and policy are @Type Username Here and @Jello Biafra. The rest of y'all are just fukking embarrassing. That long thread about Lupe was pathetic. Nobody on the "fukk voting" side knew ANYTHING except for TUH.

If people are Obamabots for voting for Obama, then I guess you're an ignorance-bot because you don't know shyt about shyt.

Shut the fukk up b, its getting tired. All you do in hl is throw the cape on for Obama and find different ways to hold his water. Disgusting. I've said before that it's not that Obama is a bad president, its that he's weak and ineffective. He ran on a platform that got people like me to Actually go out and vote for him based on the idea that he was a different kind of politician. Once in office he proved that he's just like the rest. He panders to the same people, tells the same lies, submits to the same lobbies....hes a fraud. The man belongs in a university
classroom, he isn't fit to lead a nation.

And stop name dropping other posters like a fakkit. That's what bytches do. U mad because everybody isn't down to cock slob your messiah? Please. You dumb ass liberals wouldn't have any problems with "low information" voters if they were on your team so miss me with that garbage. I'm with the op, I'm not a sick bum on welfare sitting around waiting for the government to come tuck me in at night. I don't give fukk about fakkits or abortion. If these dudes want my vote its their job to earn it, not the other way around
 
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Shut the fukk up b, its getting tired. All you do in hl is throw the cape on for Obama and find different ways to hold his water. Disgusting. I've said before that it's not that Obama is a bad president, its that he's weak and ineffective. He ran on a platform that got people like me to Actually go out and vote for him based on the idea that he was a different kind of politician. Once in office he proved that he's just like the rest. He panders to the same people, tells the same lies, submits to the same lobbies....hes a fraud. The man belongs in a university
classroom, he isn't fit to lead a nation.

And stop name dropping other posters like a fakkit. That's what bytches do. U mad because everybody isn't down to cock slob your messiah? Please. You dumb ass liberals wouldn't have any problems with "low information" voters if they were on your team so miss me with that garbage. I'm with the op, I'm not a sick bum on welfare sitting around waiting for the government to come tuck me in at night. I don't give fukk about fakkits or abortion. If these dudes want my vote its their job to earn it, not the other way around

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know shyt so shut up. You're ignorant and stupid, so therefore your opinion on politics are is invalid.

You don't know shyt about anything. You embarrass yourself any time you even attempt to speak on anything involving politics and economics. Ignorant ass low information citizens who don't know jackshyt but insist on pretending their opinions should be taking seriously like you are doing more damage to this country then the military-industrial complex, the banking system, trade agreements, the Federal Reserve, politicians, the Supreme Court, and big money in politics combined.

I don't even care if you want to dwell in ignorance, just shut up and stop insulting yourself by opening your mouth with any opinion until you educate yourself. This isn't about Obama or Romney or liberals or conservatives or anything else other than ignorant clowns like you not knowing you should just sit in the fukking corner and be quiet because your ignorance is poisonous to everyone else.
 

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First off, before anything else, I want to say it's laughable that we're even having a discussion about whether Obama's policies favor the middle class or the poor, when in reality, the wealthy have been the ones who have most benefited from Obama's presidency. The Treasury pumped money into the big banks and held no one accountable for the massive fraud that caused the financial collapse, and there was quantitative easing (by the Fed, but with the blessing of the administration, I'm sure), no new taxes for rich, and nothing done for peoples' shrinking home values. The top 1% got 93% of the income growth since 2010.

So the notion that the poor is who Obama is gearing policy toward is :laff: worthy. You saying that is once again indicative of your surface-level mainstream media talking point/platitude-driven erroneous view of things.

1. I'm not sure why you're talking about not receiving stimulus check. Stimulus in the form of checks to taxpayers is the weaker, less effective form of stimulus. Obama's stimulus which took the Keynesian approach of the government acting as as public spender when private spending has came to a halt and cutting taxes for those most like to spend it is more effective method. And it worked. It created or saved 2.5 millions jobs and added 3.8% GDP growth according to the CBO and other major economic research firms. Creating jobs and and growing GDP is policy geared to helping the middle class. They could've just gave people checks, but it wouldn't have done nearly as much to improve the economy, though it would've been more popular because people are ignorant.

2. The Affordable Care Act, which isn't even fully implemented until 2014, has already worked to reduce the rate of increase in healthcare costs. And it has prevented people from being denied coverage due to pre-existing conditions and eliminated costs for preventative healthcare. So your daughter and your wife are spending less out of their pocket because all their papsmears, mammograms, flu shots, etc. is covered. You talk about how covering the uninsured was geared toward the poor, but in reality, making poor people pay into the system as opposed to draining emergency services and hospitals, which is the most inefficient method is bringing costs down overall. Making the healthcare system more efficient and less expensive, and thus less out-of-pocket costs is geared to helping the middle class. The insurance companies and the drug companies more of course...but you get the picture.

3. The credit card reform bill prevented credit card companies from raising your rates without default. You know they could do that before and were on the verge of doing so before the credit card reform bill passed right? People were already getting letters telling them their rates were going to be raised in the wake of the financial meltdown...paying customers who never missed a payment. The credit card reform bill nixed that. I even got a letter from my credit card company myself telling me they were going to raise my rate and I argued with them on the phone for a long time. Then they passed the credit card reform bill and it stopped them. A lot more good provisions in there too. Credit CARD Act of 2009 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Obama's a dumb ass for not bragging more about that. It helped a lot of people, most of whom probably don't even know it.

4. The student loan thing, you obviously don't even know what you're talking about at all. You're confused. The student loan reform bill didn't forgive debt. What the student loan reform bill did remove the middle man from college loans. Instead of Bank of America or Chase being the loaner, now the federal government is, and the loans are at a lower rate. My wife's student loan rate went down by over 2% after the government took over from Bank of America on her loan.

All of those policies are geared toward benefiting the middle class. And there's more I didn't mention, and more that got blocked in the Congress, notably the American Jobs Act. But in summary, Obama's policies primarily benefited the rich, just as Romney's would, he did do some good things for the middle class, and no politician at a presidential level gives a fukk about the poor other than the bare minimum of keeping them from starving and being homeless.

lol

I should have made my sarcasm more apparent in my original response to you. Thats my fault. Now, allow me to retort.

1) I understand what the presidents premise behind the "stimulus" as an investment to help create jobs. States that received those funds did not use them for infrastructure development or business development, which is what was originally intended. They were used to fund social programs and pay down debt. The stimulus would have been more beneficial by giving it to the tax payers who would have either used that money to pay down their own personal debt or shop, which would have in turned helped given the economy a short term boost.

2) The Affordable Care Act is Insurance reform. Notice how it deals with what Insurance companies can and cannot do going forward. It revolves around providing "insurance" to all americans not access to healthcare, which all americans have.

3) I never argued against the credit card reform act, i agree with it actually.

4) Obviously, you haven't read the student loan reform act in its entirety. It allows loans to be forgiven after 20- 25 years of payments. If the act merely addressed rates on student loan debt that would be one thing. However, you cannot force a private lender to write off part of a loan that a promissory note was agreed to by the individual applying for the loan.

do some more google research Vic.
 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't know shyt so shut up. You're ignorant and stupid, so therefore your opinion on politics are is invalid.

You don't know shyt about anything. You embarrass yourself any time you even attempt to speak on anything involving politics and economics. Ignorant ass low information citizens who don't know jackshyt but insist on pretending their opinions should be taking seriously like you are doing more damage to this country then the military-industrial complex, the banking system, trade agreements, the Federal Reserve, politicians, the Supreme Court, and big money in politics combined.

I don't even care if you want to dwell in ignorance, just shut up and stop insulting yourself by opening your mouth with any opinion until you educate yourself. This isn't about Obama or Romney or liberals or conservatives or anything else other than ignorant clowns like you not knowing you should just sit in the fukking corner and be quiet because your ignorance is poisonous to everyone else.

I don't sit around and read liberal blogs and watch cable news all day like you breh. You sitting over there googling "obama accomplishments" so you can come on here and front for your man by any means necessary, fukk outta here. For all the facts and information you claim to be familiar with, all of the tripe you trot out in defense of Obama basically boils down to "well, he's less bad than the other guy!!!" am I supposed to be impressed by that? Is that kind of logic supposed to sway undecideds and/or people disillusioned by the political process in this country? For people like me who don't have ideological allegiances and just want to live life, and make money for self and family without worrying about how much more money the next man has, Obama has done nothing. He's already proven to be just as much of a stooge as Bush when it comes to foreign policy, and he's just as beholden to the banks/corporate villains as his predecessors. Healthcare isn't something I'm losing sleep over personally, and again, I don't care at all about Homosexual "rights," a womans right to choose being threatened, or how many illegal immigrants are getting kicked out of the country. It doesn't phase me in the least. All these things democrats and republicans love to cry about are non-issues in my mind. It may sound selfish but :manny: that's just the honest truth.

And what's with this "low-information voter" shyt? Do you think low-information voters shouldn't be allowed to vote? :mjpls: Again, the only reason you're trying to slander me with that kind of label is because I'm not on your team. How does it feel to know that I'm exactly the kind of dude these politicians are tripping over themselves trying to cater to...Obama doesn't have to worry about you because dumb asses like yourself will go to bat for him no matter what....you're a punk ass sap. You're the reason why Obama will spend millions of dollars kissing Jewish and Mexican ass while telling people in the hood to turn off the TV and stop eating popeyes for dinner. Pathetic. That's your man though.
 

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1) I never received any stimulus check?

2) My wife, daughter, and my health insurance is provided by my employer.

3) I am responsible with my credit, so this doesn't help me

4) I borrowed the money, why shouldn'y I pay it back??


That stimulus was not given to the middle class it was appropriated to programs and departments to help spur job creation. Not one middle class family received a check from that "stimulus". What is also did was provide funds for a food stamp program and subsidized housing program which benefited the poor


I actually agree with the premise of Obama's healthcare act, however it is not Healthcare reform, it is Insurance reform. I agree with mandating that everyone purchase insurance, as it will help curb costs that tax payers incur from paying for non insureds emergency room visits, but i do not agree with providing a subsidy for someone who cannot afford it. Too many able bodied people who choose to not work benefit.


I agree with the passage of the credit card reform act.


The student loan forgiveness act is good in theory but it sends the wrong message. Any person who borrows money does so knowing what they are getting into. There is a cost associated with getting an education. This is why educated individuals command more and earn more money in their lifetimes that those without college degrees. Forgiving student loan debt is not right and it sends the message that we don't have to pay our bills. Now I do agree with some principles of the bill, such as allowing for payments that are in proportion to income earned and the consolidation of loans but I do not find it fair that you can forgive a debt after a number of years. People should be required to pay back what they borrow.

You're a dumbass,

The stimulus didnt give money to the middle class :comeon:

Making Work Pay Tax Credit
Starting in April 2009, American workers average weekly paycheck bumped by $10, for a total of $400 per person per year, or 6.2% of wages, whichever is less. This little windfall continues through 2010. It’s similar to the tax rebate program introduced by the Bush Administration in 2008, when an average of $600 was sent to taxpayers. This time, around, however, the money is being handed out in smaller increments, instead of all at once.

This is the same thing bush did, but instead of handing people one check. Obama increased everyone's take home pay

First Time Home Buyers Credit
Home buyers who purchase a property between January 1, 2009 and November 30, 2009 will receive up to $8,000 in tax credit (this has increased from the Bush Administration’s $7,500 level in 2008). None of this money has to be repaid, as long as you stay in the home for at least three years. First time home buyers are defined as anyone who hasn’t owned an interest in a principal residence within three years of the purchase date of the new home. Click here for more information on first time home buyers stimulus packages.
Giving a person 8k for purchasing a home isn't halping the middle class :comeon:

New Car Tax Deduction
If you buy a vehicle between February 17, 2009 and December 31, 2009, you’ll be able to deduct state, local, and excise taxes. This applies to purchases only, not leases, and only applies to the first $49,500 of the purchase price of the vehicle. Foreign and domestic cars, light trucks, motorcycles, and RVs (gross weight less than 8,500 pounds) all qualify. Click here for more information on new car stimulus packages.

Tax deduction for purchasing a new car doesn't help the middle class:comeon:


The middle class and poor benefited from the $100 billion in education aid to prevent layoffs, modernize schools, award Pell grants and help low-income children and special education programs.

Sending money to the states for education so they don't lay off teachers don't help the middle class:comeon:


These are small part of the hint that stimulus money did to help uninformed people like yourself
 

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I'm raising my hand only because that's how I feel.......BUT I"M still going to go to the polls......and I would like to say....... STILL GO TO THE POLLS....THERE ARE MANY IMPORTANT STATE/LOCAL OFFICES & REFERENDUMS THAT WILL BE VOTED on in NOV...... DO NOT STAY HOME.....still use your RIGHT....WHILE YOU HAVE IT......
 

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I don't sit around and read liberal blogs and watch cable news all day like you breh. You sitting over there googling "obama accomplishments" so you can come on here and front for your man by any means necessary, fukk outta here. For all the facts and information you claim to be familiar with, all of the tripe you trot out in defense of Obama basically boils down to "well, he's less bad than the other guy!!!" am I supposed to be impressed by that? Is that kind of logic supposed to sway undecideds and/or people disillusioned by the political process in this country? For people like me who don't have ideological allegiances and just want to live life, and make money for self and family without worrying about how much more money the next man has, Obama has done nothing. He's already proven to be just as much of a stooge as Bush when it comes to foreign policy, and he's just as beholden to the banks/corporate villains as his predecessors. Healthcare isn't something I'm losing sleep over personally, and again, I don't care at all about Homosexual "rights," a womans right to choose being threatened, or how many illegal immigrants are getting kicked out of the country. It doesn't phase me in the least. All these things democrats and republicans love to cry about are non-issues in my mind. It may sound selfish but :manny: that's just the honest truth.

And what's with this "low-information voter" shyt? Do you think low-information voters shouldn't be allowed to vote? :mjpls: Again, the only reason you're trying to slander me with that kind of label is because I'm not on your team. How does it feel to know that I'm exactly the kind of dude these politicians are tripping over themselves trying to cater to...Obama doesn't have to worry about you because dumb asses like yourself will go to bat for him no matter what....you're a punk ass sap. You're the reason why Obama will spend millions of dollars kissing Jewish and Mexican ass while telling people in the hood to turn off the TV and stop eating popeyes for dinner. Pathetic. That's your man though.

You don't seem to get it. I don't give a shyt about you voting for Obama or not. My issue is you being ignorant and in the dark and not knowing shyt yet still making these strident, cocky, acerbic opinions like your skull isn't a hollow cavity. A post like this and there's plenty more of them http://www.the-coli.com/1581950-post135.html just exemplifies your vast ignorance and pathetic surface-level decontextualized black/white view of things.

As a person who makes an honest effort to comb through objective data and study economics and political theory and history and government (not just liberal blogs), it irks me when I see a buffoon like you making all these ill-informed assertions with an air of assuredness when you don't know shyt and don't even attempt to know shyt. People like you are the reason these politicians including Obama can get away with the shyt they pull because if people informed themselves and weren't idiots, the political center would shift to a place more grounded in sanity, reason, and facts.

If you actually read my posts and listen to me on podcasts, I repeatedly take Obama to task for being a Wall Street sellout and a weak negotiator among other things. I try to be as objective and realistic as possible. It's just that I often have to rebut clowns like saying stupid shyt like Obama "hasn't accomplished shyt" or "is the same thing as Bush" from a position of ignorance and no perspective of reality If you could actually articulate your anti-Obama stance in a reasonable and intelligent way, I'd have no problem with that. But you can't. I wouldn't even have a problem with your dismissive, insulting tone if you actually knew what the fukk you were talking about. The problem is you don't know shyt. You low-information motherfukkers are the number one thing holding this country back.
 

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I hate the Demoncrats but I will reluctantly vote for Obama. Romney is just to :smugdraper: for me and I'm tired of his lies.
 
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