A show of hands, who is abstaining from voting in this election??

[Brown_Pride]

I'm in AZ and we're going red, regardless of what that Rocky Mtn Poll says, but I'll be voting as the president is only one of many things on the ballot.

YES. If your in maricopa the sheriff is up too so

I sent my early ballot in today.

 

[rastafarwrite81]

I never claimed any Obama policies were so instrumental in helping the middle class, or that they were helpful at all. But since you asked, the stimulus, the Affordable Care Act, the credit card reform bill, and the student loan reform bill were helpful to many in the middle class. And the American Jobs Act would've been as well if it wasn't blocked in Congress by Republicans like a lot of other stuff.

But that's off-topic. Can you support your claim that Obama's policies are geared toward the poor? That's an absurd notion. No Repub or Dem presidential candidate even pretends to give a fukk about the poor.

1) I never received any stimulus check?

2) My wife, daughter, and my health insurance is provided by my employer.

3) I am responsible with my credit, so this doesn't help me

4) I borrowed the money, why shouldn'y I pay it back??


That stimulus was not given to the middle class it was appropriated to programs and departments to help spur job creation. Not one middle class family received a check from that "stimulus". What is also did was provide funds for a food stamp program and subsidized housing program which benefited the poor


I actually agree with the premise of Obama's healthcare act, however it is not Healthcare reform, it is Insurance reform. I agree with mandating that everyone purchase insurance, as it will help curb costs that tax payers incur from paying for non insureds emergency room visits, but i do not agree with providing a subsidy for someone who cannot afford it. Too many able bodied people who choose to not work benefit.


I agree with the passage of the credit card reform act.


The student loan forgiveness act is good in theory but it sends the wrong message. Any person who borrows money does so knowing what they are getting into. There is a cost associated with getting an education. This is why educated individuals command more and earn more money in their lifetimes that those without college degrees. Forgiving student loan debt is not right and it sends the message that we don't have to pay our bills. Now I do agree with some principles of the bill, such as allowing for payments that are in proportion to income earned and the consolidation of loans but I do not find it fair that you can forgive a debt after a number of years. People should be required to pay back what they borrow.

 

[rastafarwrite81]

This. You selfish fukk.

so much altruism in here. I hope you're as charitable when the time presents itself.

 

[ZEB WALTON]

keep believing the tv voters

 

[CoolazzFemale]

Since I have a feeling votes won't be counted.

For majority of minorities (including latino)

This election will have Romney dumb ass in office come Jan.

Sill will vote though.

 

[rastafarwrite81]

so what i gather in this thread is that I should vote for Obama just so that Romney doesn't get to be president.....

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

1) I never received any stimulus check?

2) My wife, daughter, and my health insurance is provided by my employer.

3) I am responsible with my credit, so this doesn't help me

4) I borrowed the money, why shouldn'y I pay it back??


That stimulus was not given to the middle class it was appropriated to programs and departments to help spur job creation. Not one middle class family received a check from that "stimulus". What is also did was provide funds for a food stamp program and subsidized housing program which benefited the poor


I actually agree with the premise of Obama's healthcare act, however it is not Healthcare reform, it is Insurance reform. I agree with mandating that everyone purchase insurance, as it will help curb costs that tax payers incur from paying for non insureds emergency room visits, but i do not agree with providing a subsidy for someone who cannot afford it. Too many able bodied people who choose to not work benefit.


I agree with the passage of the credit card reform act.


The student loan forgiveness act is good in theory but it sends the wrong message. Any person who borrows money does so knowing what they are getting into. There is a cost associated with getting an education. This is why educated individuals command more and earn more money in their lifetimes that those without college degrees. Forgiving student loan debt is not right and it sends the message that we don't have to pay our bills. Now I do agree with some principles of the bill, such as allowing for payments that are in proportion to income earned and the consolidation of loans but I do not find it fair that you can forgive a debt after a number of years. People should be required to pay back what they borrow.

See, that's what I'm talking about. I mean no offense, but you're a low information citizen...most non-voters are. This whole post was rife with factual inaccuracies and I will highlight and address them later on tonight when I have time to sit down in front of my laptop.

 

[VegetasHairline]

I'm never voting, doesn't matter who you vote for. Neither candidate is going to change anything. Anyone who gets put in charge is a damn puppet. The electoral college decides who gets in, the popular vote don't mean a damn thing.

 

[rastafarwrite81]

See, that's what I'm talking about. I mean no offense, but you're a low information citizen...most non-voters are. This whole post was rife with factual inaccuracies and I will highlight and address them later on tonight when I have time to sit down in front of my laptop.

lol, really.

basically what your saying is "i need to do some google research to refute what you wrote"

everything i wrote is actual factual.

google is your friend

 

[rastafarwrite81]

I'm never voting, doesn't matter who you vote for. Neither candidate is going to change anything. Anyone who gets put in charge is a damn puppet. The electoral college decides who gets in, the popular vote don't mean a damn thing.

 

[Dusty Bake Activate]

lol, really.

basically what your saying is "i need to do some google research to refute what you wrote"

everything i wrote is actual factual.

google is your friend

No, what I'm telling you is that you don't know what you're talking about and there were a plethora of factual inaccuracies and misunderandings of policy in your post that I instantly spotted at first glance...so many that I won't be able break down your post piece-by-piece from my Galaxy S3 while I'm at work. But I will later.

 

[rastafarwrite81]

No, what I'm telling you is that you don't know what you're talking about and there were a plethora of factual inaccuracies and misunderandings of policy in your post that I instantly spotted at first glance...so many that I won't be able break down your post piece-by-piece from my Galaxy S3 while I'm at work. But I will later.

Once again, There is nothing inaccurate about what i posted.

stimulus funds were not passed to the middle class it was billed as a reinvestment to spur job creation to which a portion of the stimulus was used to prop up food stamp and section 8 programs.

Obamacare is Insurance reform, not healthcare reform.

and the student loan forgiveness act allows for forgivesness of that debt after a certain amount of time has passed.

you cannot refute what i wrote because it is accurate.

 

[OH SOHH TRILL]

lol, really.

basically what your saying is "i need to do some google research to refute what you wrote"

everything i wrote is actual factual.

google is your friend

i stopped reading when you said "i didn't receive a stimulus check..." that proves you have no idea what the stimulus was or was intended to do.

 

[rastafarwrite81]

i stopped reading when you said "i didn't receive a stimulus check..." that proves you have no idea what the stimulus was or was intended to do.

do you lack the capacity to comprehend?

someone stated that the stimulus was geared towards helping the middles class. I responded that the middle class did not benefit from the stimulus because there was no direct benefit gained from it. It was done with the intention to help create jobs, but was used for a myriad of other purposes, that did not impact the middle class.

A more direct benefit of a stimulus would have been to give that money to the middle class a la what george bush did after september 11.

 

[OH SOHH TRILL]

do you lack the capacity to comprehend?

someone stated that the stimulus was geared towards helping the middles class. I responded that the middle class did not benefit from the stimulus because there was no direct benefit gained from it. It was done with the intention to help create jobs, but was used for a myriad of other purposes, that did not impact the middle class. A more direct benefit of a stimulus would have been to give that money directly to the middle class a la what george bush did after september 11.

you're all over the map breh. go home, refine your argument and come back tomorrow.