A regular person’s reasoning why DC movies suck compared to Marvel...

[David_TheMan]

Couple things.. Aquaman made 1.1+ billion and still counting. Is that what you call people "not embracing" it?

Also, if we just talking dollars, how do you feel about Transformers or Jurassic World or the Fast and Furious franchise? I don't go around wondering if something made x amount of dollars in order for me to enjoy it.. I like the Fast movies but I don't like the Transformers movies so you could tell me anything about what they've made and I will tell u I don't care, they are trash to me

I don't believe I mentioned Aquaman at all as being a failure. So mentioning it does nothing to me.
I literally said people didn't embrace MoS, BvS or Justice League. I specifically highlighted BvS with two of the most famous comic book characters in the history of the world.

I don't like any of the movies you mentioned, but audiences embraced it and you saw that with how they spent their dollars.

NOthing in this thread was about your personal opinion.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

I don't believe I mentioned Aquaman at all as being a failure. So mentioning it does nothing to me.
I literally said people didn't embrace MoS, BvS or Justice League. I specifically highlighted BvS with two of the most famous comic book characters in the history of the world.

I don't like any of the movies you mentioned, but audiences embraced it and you saw that with how they spent their dollars.

NOthing in this thread was about your personal opinion.

So then audiences didn't embrace Spider-Man Homecoming? It made exactly what BvS made.. with Spider-Man and Downey Jr. in there all over the marketing too. What you are typing makes no sense. A movie that made "near" a billion is embraced by audiences in my view

 

[David_TheMan]

So then audiences didn't embrace Spider-Man Homecoming? It made exactly what BvS made.. with Spider-Man and Downey Jr. in there all over the marketing too. What you are typing makes no sense. A movie that made "near" a billion is embraced by audiences in my view

Spider man cost way less money than Spider-man.
if you think the investment and expected return for a BvS movie was the same as a Capt. America, a Guardians, or a Spidey film thats on you.
WB actions after the fact show you that wasn't the case.

 

[Saysumthinfunnymike]

Spider man cost way less money than Spider-man.
if you think the investment and expected return for a BvS movie was the same as a Capt. America, a Guardians, or a Spidey film thats on you.
WB actions after the fact show you that wasn't the case.

nah, it cost a lot of money and of course they had expectations for it. It starred their top tier character Spidey with their other top tier character Iron Man as played by Hollywood's top grossing star Robery Downey Jr. You are fooling yourself if you don't think they felt they would make more.. but a lot of people still went to see it and it still turned a profit just like BvS did so I don't call any of those a failure.

WB changed course several times, they had no plan or they did have a plan and didn't stick with it and that's not after one movie that was after several movies. Regardless the ship must have been righted or audiences must still care because they are still making money.

My first post I said the quality goes up and down. They haven't reached what Nolan did with his trilogy IMO but it'll happen again

 

[Rekkapryde]

No, Whedon was, that whole post credit scene was a reshoot. Snyder planned to kill Lois then have Superman turn evil and take over the Earth like in the Nightmare scene from BvS. Flash would travel back in time to prevent that but Wonder Woman and Batman would end up dying by the end

Zack Snyder's Original 'Justice League' Plans, Deleted Post-Credit Scene Revealed

Thought that was Snyder.....

 

[StraxStrax]

So then audiences didn't embrace Spider-Man Homecoming? It made exactly what BvS made.. with Spider-Man and Downey Jr. in there all over the marketing too. What you are typing makes no sense. A movie that made "near" a billion is embraced by audiences in my view

Mhm

I doubt he'll understand though.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Yes they completely got Superman's character wrong.
Superman isn't a outsider who doesn't know his place.
He is a guy who is embraced and looks at himself as a regular man, who finds he has the ability to do things regular people couldn't imagine, but he is still a regular person.

The needless emotional change and emotion "struggle" of Superman, and the trying to portray him as a christ figure was detrimintal to the failure of MoS and Snyder's vision of superman. Superman purposely killing Zod was foolish. Hell having Zod be the first villian and not Lex or Brainiac was a misstep.

Everything he did was wrong with regard to Superman.

As for comparing everything to marvel, stop with the bullshyt.
DC has the most recognized comic book figures in the world. Marvel films aren't the bar DC fans ever limited ourselves too. We have decades upon decades of excellent DC stories, make a good movie, make a great universe.

What have we gotten, fukking Green Lantern, BvS, Justice League, and garbage like MoS. If we weren't getting that shyt, we were getting shyt like Superman Returns.

DC got many different stories of Superman with many different interpretations. What you saw in Man of Steel is just another interpretation of that character. It was like a mix of John Bryne's Superman(Supes kill zod in Bryne's final issue of his run) and Earth One Superman.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Thought that was Snyder.....

He did. It's clear in how it was shot but here is the confirmation
Zack Snyder Did Indeed Direct Justice League's Post-Credits Scene
@Brandeezy

 

[Rekkapryde]

He did. It's clear in how it was shot but here is the confirmation
Zack Snyder Did Indeed Direct Justice League's Post-Credits Scene

Okay, I thought so.

Man, that would have been to see it in action.

 

[Rekkapryde]

DC got many different stories of Superman with many different interpretations. What you saw in Man of Steel is just another interpretation of that character. It was like a mix of John Bryne's Superman(Supes kill zod in Bryne's final issue of his run) and Earth One Superman.

EXACTLY. Mufukkaz wanting Reeves Supes can

 

[David_TheMan]

DC got many different stories of Superman with many different interpretations. What you saw in Man of Steel is just another interpretation of that character. It was like a mix of John Bryne's Superman(Supes kill zod in Bryne's final issue of his run) and Earth One Superman.

Yeah, they should have stuck with main line representation of Superman.
He doesn't kill and Zod was sentenced to the phantom zone.

 

[2 Up 2 Down]

Yeah, they should have stuck with main line representation of Superman.
He doesn't kill and Zod was sentenced to the phantom zone.

Nah Zod was killed and he grieved about in it in the following issues when Roger Stern and Dan Jurgens(who likes the Man of Steel and BvS, and was writing Action Comics up till Bendis hijacked the Supes books last year) took over

 

[KevCo]

GOTG has never cleared a billion and the second tier characters didn't either. Unless you are calling Black Panther second tier

Aquaman cleared a billion for DC and he's definitely second tier lol

Aquaman isnt second tier, didnt he go like 30 years between his own books? Thats like third tier lol

 

[David_TheMan]

Nah Zod was killed and he grieved about in it in the following issues when Roger Stern and Dan Jurgens(who likes the Man of Steel and BvS, and was writing Action Comics up till Bendis hijacked the Supes books last year) took over

Which continuity are you talking about. I stopped reading Supes and DC before Infinite Crisis and the Superboy Prime BS. So if its after 2004 I really don't know what you are talking about.

 

[Marc Spector]

Bruh
Spider-Man was killing aliens in the final battle so miss me with that
I’m sure that was a purposeful choice that Sack Snyder made to make it more real and hardcore and they could have gone a different route, but it didn’t ruin the movie for me
They shouldn’t have had him snap his neck tho
Man of Steel was an origin story for Superman, so yes, it was ok to portray him as an outsider

The Christ shyt was unnecessary but that didn’t come until BvS

"No Killing" is a flexible rule but it really only applies to no killing of rogues gallery and "human" villains. Aliens and robots tend to be cannon fodder.

Everything @David_TheMan is saying is correct (even though I highly disagree with his take on the nolan movies). DC absolutely fukked up with the Snyder-Verse because they horribly fukked up the execution of the core pillar of their universe (Superman).

Only with Shazam IMO has DC fully understood the core mythos and appealing character factors of one of their properties and were able to successful distill these elements into movie form. With Superman they thought making him a alienated loner struggling with his place in the world would make him more relatable. Instead of realizing that Supermans relatability comes from the fact that he was raised as a normal person until one day he's told he's a space alien with emerging godlike powers....and decides to do the right thing and help people.

Too many writers think that Supermans boy scout attitude makes him "too good" to relate too but that's the point of Superman. We relate to him because most people want to be better and Superman is an aspirational figure. You want to be like him.

MoS was intended to be a deconstruction of Supermans mythos...Outsider background, conflicted and selfish Kent family instead of the Saints they are depicted in the comics, Superman now kills in order to deal with a more "ruthless world"....Deconstructions are hardly ever pulled off well and especially in cinema where the common moviegoers doesnt absorb comics enough of a literary level to understand it. People expect super hero movies to be popcorn, positive, feel good flicks with no deeper meaning not a Superman deconstruction or a treatise on how man struggles when their place in the world is threatened by a Reluctant Deity (BvS)