A question to some about genetics and race

[Slang]

Genetics play the least important role in what a human develops into, social conditioning being the greatest influence.

 

[OC's finest]

Going around the forum and the old forum, it became very prevalent the idea that people accept African-Americans (or blacks in general) are genetically superior in terms of athleticism and athletic proficiency, especially in certain sports. Now some of the comments are tongue-in-cheek, but I have a question to the people that really believe that:

Why only accept the statistics that show your race in a positive light in terms of genetics, and ignore others?

I think all should be ignored, but some of you don't. Why?

i think its common sense. its taboo, and ppl shy on the topic, but coming from slavery has a DIRECT impact on black ppl physical superiority.

first, slaves chosen from africa were chosen for their fitness and ability to work. then they were put into horrible conditions on slave ships where like 1/4 of the ppl died. (survival of the fittest) then for generations the biggest/strongest/healthiest males and females were bred. yea, couple generations of that gon get some pretty fine physical specimens.

this is also an explanation for alot of genetic predispositions some black ppl have, say like sickle cell for instance.

fyi, its not the firs ttime in history societies chose selective breeding or eugenics. the ancient greeks did it. also, more recently, the island of somoa practiced eugenics and killed off weak babies so only the strongest biggest babies survived. its no surprise after generations of this, why somoan males are fukin huge and athletic (some).

totally not politically correct, but its the truth.

 

[OC's finest]

Genetics play the least important role in what a human develops into, social conditioning being the greatest influence.

we're not talkin what a human develops into. we're talkin about physical attributes. which is all genetics.

 

[Mr Uncle Leroy]

Going around the forum and the old forum, it became very prevalent the idea that people accept African-Americans (or blacks in general) are genetically superior in terms of athleticism and athletic proficiency, especially in certain sports. Now some of the comments are tongue-in-cheek, but I have a question to the people that really believe that:

Why only accept the statistics that show your race in a positive light in terms of genetics, and ignore others?

I think all should be ignored, but some of you don't. Why?

Blacks and nonblacks are good at whatever they put their minds, hearts, passion to...

Society itself has decided to faux create certain ideologies...and groups have self-hated and perpetuated certain ideologies.

The way I see it, there are:

Black doctors
Black accountants
Black CEOS
Black COO
Black CFO
Black Engineers
Black scientists
Black Governors
Black PresidentS
etc...

when groups are under represented or deliberated held closely (to put in check) it might seem only certain option are available...but its ironic that popularity of black + career (sports, music, entertainment) ... really did not allow education careers...but go to other countries or talk with blacks from other countries or from the united states...you realize blacks can do whatever they put their minds, hearts, passion to... and kkkakkk (discrimination, segregation, racism, etc) and kkkoons have only attempted to marginalize folk

what social "genetics" did was create a false sense of superiority...if it was true, there would be no exceptions...and social genetics...creates exclusivity...

we can do it...you cant...

but with practice, passion, strategy and timing anything is winable

 

[MeachTheMonster]

People are so scared to touch on the subject of race that sufficient research hasn't been done, but it's entirely plausible to believe that skin color isn't our only difference. Black people in general tend to larger than whites, and Asian people tend to be smaller than everybody.

 

[The Real]

People are so scared to touch on the subject of race that sufficient research hasn't been done, but it's entirely plausible to believe that skin color isn't our only difference. Black people in general tend to larger than whites, and Asian people tend to be smaller than everybody.

Average heights and weights have changed a lot in the last 200 years. There are genetic elements, but also strong environmental factors at play.

The Asian thing is true for some groups, but the Black thing isn't true overall. Up through the 1800s, North American whites tended to be the tallest/biggest people in the world, while Black folks were smaller. The largest people on earth now, in terms of averages, are certain Polynesian, Scandinavian and Eastern European populations, if I remember correctly. The thing is though, traditional diets had a lot to do with this for all people, genetics aside. Nowadays, the gap between Asians and Whites/Blacks is disappearing, and their average size is going up, because their diets have changed and they're eating more of the growth-hormone-laden and nutrient variable diets that other people eat.

The average height of human beings in general seems to be going up, but notice how the places where sizes are changing (growing) the most are areas where economic growth is also happening, whereas places where sizes are staying the same (small) are impoverished nations without growth, like Vietnam and North Korea.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

The Asian thing is true for some groups, but the Black thing isn't true overall. In the 1800s, North American whites tended to be the tallest/biggest people in the world, while Black folks were smaller. The largest people on earth now, in terms of averages, are certain Scandinavian and Eastern European populations, if I remember correctly. The thing is though, traditional diets had a lot to do with this for all people, genetics aside. Nowadays, the gap between Asians and Whites/Blacks is disappearing, and their average size is going up, because their diets have changed and they're eating more of the growth-hormone-laden and nutrient variable diets that other people eat.

Where do you get your info from?

 

[acri1]

According to Wikipedia,

The average height for a white male in the US is 5'10 and a half, and the average height for a black male in the US Is 5'10. Average height for a white female in the US is 5'5, for a black female is 5'4 and a half.

So I'm not really sure if blacks being overall bigger is true, it would seem that in the US whites are on average taller by a small amount (half an inch). Not sure about Africa as I've heard of tribes with very tall and very short people.

I think that the fact that blacks dominate basketball and football in the US (sports which favor taller and bigger dudes, respectively) kind of skews people's perceptions a little since the blacks people tend to see on TV are much bigger than average. Most nyggas on the street are not that huge.

 

[MeachTheMonster]

According to Wikipedia,

The average height for a white male in the US is 5'10 and a half, and the average height for a black male in the US Is 5'10. Average height for a white female in the US is 5'5, for a black female is 5'4 and a half.

So I'm not really sure if blacks being overall bigger is true, it would seem that in the US whites are on average taller by a small amount (half an inch). Not sure about Africa as I've heard of tribes with very tall and very short people.

I think that the fact that blacks dominate basketball and football in the US (sports which favor taller and bigger dudes, respectively) kind of skews people's perceptions a little since the blacks people tend to see on TV are much bigger than average. Most nyggas on the street are not that huge.

I'm not sure when Wikipedia became a credible source, but judging from real life, what i see on a daily basis and from playing sports, black people tend to be larger. I could be wrong but it is what I have observed

 

[Serious]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B7FPlIEq4E

 

[The Real]

Where do you get your info from?

An old anthropology class I took, but wikipedia also has a lot of relevant info on it, which is cited directly from the biggest funded studies, so it's not random or unreliable: Human height - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is just for heights, but the correlation is there, as you can see. Check the "history of human height" section. It's interesting how much things have changed just in the last 200 years. Some of the people who were stereotyped as short in the 1800s are now stereotyped as among the tallest.

 

[Robbie3000]

get the fukk outta here crakkka with this racist sh1t

First of all, the stupid notion of race that you are advancing is false. Not ALL black folks are "superior athletes." Tell me the last time a great sprinter came from South Africa? Or Mozambique? Or how about the great distance runner from Namibia or Sierra Leone?

Africa has the greatest diversity of mankind in the world.

All the great sprinters come from one particular location in Africa (West Africa). With the greatest being located in one small island right now (Jamaica).

All the great distance runners come from only one tribe in Kenya. Its not even the whole country that has great runners just one tribe. The same story in Ethiopia. Ethiopia has over a hundred different ethnic groups yet all the great runners come from just one or two tribes.

This should let you know that it isn't GENETICS but ENVIRONMENT.

The reason all the great distance runners in Kenya come from just one tribe is because that tribe has historically lived in high elevation areas. This has helped them be able to converse oxygen more efficiently than the rest of the Kenyas and in fact the rest of humanity thus making them better long distance runners. Same story in Ethiopia. Its a country filled with mountains and high plains. This has helped some of the few ethnic groups that live on those mountains become great runners.


Now explain to me how you can test intelligence first and foremost to even tell me that black folks ain't as intelligent as anyone else? Second, how all black folk can suddenly be less intelligent than all white folk when in terms of athletics its only certain black folk that are better than everyone else?



This is the problem with you racists. You don't know what your talking about.

You make good points. There are alot of environmental factors that make these group good runners. I suspect the same is with AA dominating some sports like Basketball and Football.

Here is a study that was done on what makes Kenyans (really one or two tribes) dominate long distance running.

http://www.kenyarunners.com/pages/167371/page167371.html?refresh=1112199340095

It's not even a hundred years ago when blacks were supposedly not genetically intelligent enough or physically tough enough to be good boxers and Jews dominated basketball because they were genetically more cunning and deceitful than the rest of the nation.

It is also not surprising that many athletes come from disadvantaged backgrounds where sports is seen as a means of escape. We can observe that through the history of boxing in America and which ethnic groups were dominating the sport and their socio-economic levels of the group at the time.

 

[Serious]

People are so scared to touch on the subject of race that sufficient research hasn't been done, but it's entirely plausible to believe that skin color isn't our only difference. Black people in general tend to larger than whites, and Asian people tend to be smaller than everybody.

I take it, you haven't been to South Africa, where the average male height is around 5'4-5'6 ish......

 

[MeachTheMonster]

An old anthropology class I took, but wikipedia also has a lot of relevant info on it: Human height - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This is just for heights, but the correlation is there, as you can see. Check the "history of human height" section. It's interesting how much things have changed just in the last 200 years. Some of the people who were stereotyped as short in the 1800s are now stereotyped as among the tallest.

I just can't rock wit Wikipedia as a source for real accurate answers. Plus it even say this in the article:
As with any statistical data, the accuracy of this data may be questionable for various reasons:

A relatively small sample of the population may have been measured, which makes it uncertain whether this sample accurately represents the entire population.
Test subjects may have been invited instead of chosen at random, resulting in sampling bias.
The height of a person can vary over the course of a day, due to factors such as the amount of exercise done directly before measurement (normally inversely correlated), or the time elapsed since lying down for a significant period of time (normally inversely correlated). For example, one study revealed a mean difference of 1.54 centimetres (0.61*in) in the height of 100 children from getting out of bed in the morning to between 4 and 5 PM that same day.[2] Such factors may not have been controlled in some of the studies.
Some studies may allow subjects to self-report values.

I think overall there is insufficient research, and height is only one factor of overall size. This is why BMI states that more black people are overweight and Asians are under weight because the baseline was European white people.

 

[acri1]

I'm not sure when Wikipedia became a credible source, but judging from real life, what i see on a daily basis and from playing sports, black people tend to be larger. I could be wrong but it is what I have observed

Wikipedia is about as accurate as a real Encyclopedia, but if you have a better source feel free to post it.

I don't really agree though, if you play sports you're probably have a biased POV since sports favor taller/bigger dudes. The people playing sports with you are probably mostly bigger than average. If you mostly hung around dudes that didn't play sports it might be different.

As somebody who doesn't play sports I don't see too much difference in height. Taller people just get more attention, especially in black culture since it emphazises sports.

Edit:

http://news.cnet.com/2100-1038_3-5997332.html