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It was more than one game cac fakkit but you always have selective memory unless it’s the queens:umad:
Lonzo hasn't proven himself to be worthy of all of the attention. Whether he has one bad game or five bad games in a row, it isn't really talked about because people are used to these single digit scoring games on bad percentages. You're accusing people of not bringing the same energy but it's actually in the other direction. A good game gets more press because it's an outlier and people are surprised by it. The shytty games are just expected and other than LAKER FANS questioning why they drafted him, not many people make a big deal about his struggles.

By the way, if you wanted to include me in your sig, why are you using a fake quote?
 
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This is very theoretical and doesn't sound like it's something that is based on reality. He gets lots of chances to initiate plays and when he is going they let him go but he is too inconsistent to ever become a great triple threat.
When the team is healthy (more specifically when LeBron and Rondo are playing), he only touches the ball around 40 times a game, which is only a league-average mark (players like Jerian Grant, E'twuan Moore, Cam Payne, Johnathan Isaac, Stanley Johnson etc get similar touches). Sounds like your take of "he gets lots of chances to initiate plays" isn't something that is based on reality.

Bron and Rondo are the primary ball-handlers whenever they're on the floor, and Zo has to make do with secondary duties.
At least now he is in an environment where he can learn a lot and copy from great playmakers.
Learning is one thing, but how's he supposed to "copy" them when he doesn't get a generous, regular amount of touches to do so?
Your post seems to suggest that Lebron handles the ball 90% of the time when the true stat for that is a good 3.5 times below that number.
Oh look, LeBron stans running in here with the damage control. Be honest here, you don't really give a fukk about the Lakers do you, you're just trying to shape the narrative to put LeBron in a better light.

:lolbron:

Why even accuse me of suggesting that I think LeBron handles the ball "90% of the time", and then throw out another # where you think he only handles it 3.5x below that, and even overlay it with the words "true stat"? You basically lied about 3-4 times in the space of ONE sentence. LeBron controls the possessions considerably more than every other player on the team (certainly a lot more than 3.5x below 90%) and touches the ball 80+ times per game (which is basically around twice the amount of Zo), which is 12th most in the entire league.
In the long run and for the position that he is playing, he has to be a good shooting threat, not someone who misses 7 easy wide open corner 3pt baskets.
Nobody is saying that he doesn't need to be a "good shooting threat", I'm simply arguing he needs to have the ball in his hands more, as it'll only help with his rhythm when he's put in a position to provide spot-up shooting. The more touches and time of possession he gets at regular intervals will help him stay engaged, give him more confidence running PnR actions, which will only help him when it comes time to shoot. Since he's not the most offensively talented guard, you can't expect him just to hit C&S shots if he doesn't get regular touches: spot-up shooting isn't his strength, which is why he needs a rhythm bridge, and the only way to build that bridge is giving him responsibility with the ball in hand on the regular, not secondary/scrap opportunities that LeBron and Rondo don't want.

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He can if he wants, he just chooses not to. This is no different than what he did last season. At some point, people just have to accept this is what he is.

Ingram gets plenty of opportunities to do what he wants; Kuzma too. Zo gets the ball but he still wants to hot potato it on the regular. We would all like to see him be more assertive but it's up to him to do that.
And this is why I'm saying he needs to be more aggressive, because it's the only way he's going to develop, which was addressing the initial post I responded to -
@Gil Scott-Heroin thinks Lonzo should be more aggressive :mjlol:
 
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If folks don't want Zo to handle the ball more, what's the point in even having him on the team? He's not going to get any better as things now are (regardless of his ceiling). Might as well start fading him out of the rotation until he can be traded.

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Lonzo hasn't proven himself to be worthy of all of the attention. Whether he has one bad game or five bad games in a row, it isn't really talked about because people are used to these single digit scoring games on bad percentages. You're accusing people of not bringing the same energy but it's actually in the other direction. A good game gets more press because it's an outlier and people are surprised by it. The shytty games are just expected and other than LAKER FANS questioning why they drafted him, not many people make a big deal about his struggles.

By the way, if you wanted to include me in your sig, why are you using a fake quote?
Didn’t read
 

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If folks don't want Zo to handle the ball more, what's the point in even having him on the team? He's not going to get any better as things now are (regardless of his ceiling). Might as well start fading him out of the rotation until he can be traded.

:yeshrug:
Basically this then. Why draft him, why bring in Lebron AND Rondo, neither one wants to play off the ball. Why keep him then if he’s not going to be properly developed, if y’all just wanted a spot up shooter that played no defense, could’ve just kept D’Lo


Trade the nikka then, fukk it. He’s not going to get any better over here
 

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This is very theoretical and doesn't sound like it's something that is based on reality. He gets lots of chances to initiate plays and when he is going they let him go but he is too inconsistent to ever become a great triple threat. At least now he is in an environment where he can learn a lot and copy from great playmakers. Your post seems to suggest that Lebron handles the ball 90% of the time when the true stat for that is a good 3.5 times below that number. In the long run and for the position that he is playing, he has to be a good shooting threat, not someone who misses 7 easy wide open corner 3pt baskets. Rondo was also out for a long time and Lonzo unfortunately didn't look like a number 2 pick- even Chalmers and JCole put up a better shift than him in a similar position.

His defence is elite and I think that he deserves to be on the 1st team all defence but you can't be a PG and shoot under 40% FG. Teams will play 4 on 5 all day



The truth is all of these iso plays for Ingram are hurting Zo. Lonzo and Lebron should be primary ball handlers with Ingram playing more off the ball. Honestly if Hart wasn’t such a big negative on defense Ingram should be coming off the bench.
 

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The truth is all of these iso plays for Ingram are hurting Zo. Lonzo and Lebron should be primary ball handlers with Ingram playing more off the ball. Honestly if Hart wasn’t such a big negative on defense Ingram should be coming off the bench.
7/8 shot of Ingram's were assisted on, you always are blaming Ingram in here for no reason at all. Lonzo is struggling because he has no offensive game, stop blaming others for what he is bad at.
 

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The subject was on Lebron hogging too many possessions at the detriment of Lonzo and you shift the blame to Ingram? 1) he needs playmaking opportunities too and 2) since he’s came back from injury he’s actually been playing off of the ball more and making quicker decisions
 

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You just know the Warriors are going to try and prove a point tomorrow :beli:

and with the way we've been playing, shyt ain't lookin good
 
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