A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread

[I.V.]

Yeah the cavs loved those players so much that they traded both of em before the allstar break

The Cavs traded Kyrie, so they shouldn't have drafted him?

Them trading away IT and Crowder has nothing to do with why they traded for them.

There are times where I think posters on this board are dense on purpose.

 

[Kitsch]

 

[storyteller]

Breh
Kp and kyrie alone with a quality coach keeps us as a contender in the east for the foreseeable future. Then we can focus on other things.

Im not sayin that would win us a automatic championship, im saying it would give us direction and 2 certified allstars to build our team around for the next 10 years lol

Its not a short term decision. Cap space and draft picks will come.

You really telling me you would turn dat down

Hell yeah I turn that down. We aren't contenders just because we have KP and Kyrie. This team lacks depth WITHOUT trading away packages of players and it's trash on defense without adding a player like Kyrie Irving with notoriously bad defensive play. If we had Brad Stevens, maybe I'd consider it but probably not because you need a TEAM to win. Blowing up what little depth we had to have two allstars, no cap space and a lack of tradeable picks is how you wind up on a treadmill. If KP still blows out his knee it gets even uglier. It's literally a move out of the last 15 years playbook.

 

[seemorecizzy]

The Cavs traded Kyrie, so they shouldn't have drafted him?

Them trading away IT and Crowder has nothing to do with why they traded for them.

There are times where I think posters on this board are dense on purpose.

yes it does breh
you dumb as fukk lol

and the cavs traded kyrie because he demanded a trade, why are you talking about dem drafting him
out of all the players on kyries list, boston was the most aggressive, so they got the trade done. u really think the cavs wanted to trade him to their main rival

 

[seemorecizzy]

Hell yeah I turn that down. We aren't contenders just because we have KP and Kyrie. This team lacks depth WITHOUT trading away packages of players and it's trash on defense without adding a player like Kyrie Irving with notoriously bad defensive play. If we had Brad Stevens, maybe I'd consider it but probably not because you need a TEAM to win. Blowing up what little depth we had to have two allstars, no cap space and a lack of tradeable picks is how you wind up on a treadmill. If KP still blows out his knee it gets even uglier. It's literally a move out of the last 15 years playbook.

this is the low-key some of the craziest shyt i've heard all season,
willy just got traded for a bag of chips. kyrie wasnt worth him frank and a pick

we would not be :"blowing anything" up

we are rebuilding anyway and we suck

noah is off the books in a couple years,
courtney lee is a tradable contract
kanter is off the books
o quinn is of the books
theres also the mid level exception

we would not be in cap hell, because its a long term processs

u must think kyrie is garbage my g lol the disrespect is crazy

 

[knickscrusaderm]

So you'd trade Frank, Picks AND Willy for Kyrie? That ain't winning a chip or coming close to it breh. KP, Kyrie, THJ with no cap space and or ability to move picks...that's not how you win a chip.

What did we get for Willy? Frank will never contribute as much to a basketball team as Kyrie. Ever. In any capacity. And no pick is guaranteed to lift our misfortunes. shyt we had the eighth pick and got a role player. Meanwhile pretty much every other lottery guard is fire outside of Monk and Fox (Fultz doesn't count).

And we should never fukking signed Timmy. Disgusting .

Hell yeah I turn that down. We aren't contenders just because we have KP and Kyrie. This team lacks depth WITHOUT trading away packages of players and it's trash on defense without adding a player like Kyrie Irving with notoriously bad defensive play. If we had Brad Stevens, maybe I'd consider it but probably not because you need a TEAM to win. Blowing up what little depth we had to have two allstars, no cap space and a lack of tradeable picks is how you wind up on a treadmill. If KP still blows out his knee it gets even uglier. It's literally a move out of the last 15 years playbook.

Kyrie isn't a bad defensive player. With a real rim protector like KP behind him he'd look as good on defense as he does this year with an Al Horford behind him.

We lack depth now, thanks to KPs injury there's hope for the future. As we all saw that nikka was good enough to drag us to the playoffs and out of the lottery alone. We would have been fukked and treadmilling anyway.

I'm not privy to what picks we would have to give up to get Kyrie so I can't all the way say it wasn't the right move.

But fukk Frank .

 

[Illified infinitely]

Man kyrie on the Knicks . Pretty sure he’ll be in Boston for a while now

 

[seemorecizzy]

What did we get for Willy? Frank will never contribute as much to a basketball team as Kyrie. Ever. In any capacity. And no pick is guaranteed to lift our misfortunes. shyt we had the eighth pick and got a role player. Meanwhile pretty much every other lottery guard is fire outside of Monk and Fox (Fultz doesn't count).

And we should never fukking signed Timmy. Disgusting .

Kyrie isn't a bad defensive player. With a real rim protector like KP behind him he'd look as good on defense as he does this year with an Al Horford behind him.

We lack depth now, thanks to KPs injury there's hope for the future. As we all saw that nikka was good enough to drag us to the playoffs and out of the lottery alone. We would have been fukked and treadmilling anyway.

I'm not privy to what picks we would have to give up to get Kyrie so I can't all the way say it wasn't the right move.

But fukk Frank .

i thought this was common knowledge breh but i guess not lol
i agree you dont trade frank for a kemba walker type,
but fukking kyrie irving

 

[storyteller]

What did we get for Willy?

2 second rounders in a bloated Center market after devaluing him to the lowest possible standards.

Frank will never contribute as much to a basketball team as Kyrie. Ever. In any capacity. And no pick is guaranteed to lift our misfortunes. shyt we had the eighth pick and got a role player. Meanwhile pretty much every other lottery guard is fire outside of Monk and Fox (Fultz doesn't count).

This is a crazy assertion for any 19 year old. If we coulda gotten Monk in the Willy trade, whose in even worse shape than Frank now rotation wise, I'd have done that to. You can look at Kris Dunn and Mario Hezonja this year as proof that early struggles don't mean you should give up on a player (even Stanley Johnson).

More importantly though, no single pick is going to change our misfortunes but factor in that you can't deal two consecutive firsts and every pick you trade locks you out of trading the following year's pick as well. That means each pick we parted with (and it absolutely would be more than one, that Nets pick was the gold standard of this offseason) would lock us out of drafting talent or dealing picks for immediate relief. Kyrie + KP + THJ +Noah = capped out. So you also can't sign anyone except with exceptions. You'd be chasing MLE free agents and second round gems to finish up a roster with no starting caliber SF or C let alone a full rotation of players. No cap, no picks, can't trade future assets...you're stuck.

And we should never fukking signed Timmy. Disgusting .

Yeah, I hate that move too...just praying he gets beyond streaky scorer status to earn that contract but pretty sure we screwed up again.

Kyrie isn't a bad defensive player. With a real rim protector like KP behind him he'd look as good on defense as he does this year with an Al Horford behind him.

He's better this season for sure...more average than awful. But he's also got Brad Stevens coaching him. He was one of the worst defensive PG's in the league throughout his Cleveland time and Hornacek wasn't the one to change that.

We lack depth now, thanks to KPs injury there's hope for the future. As we all saw that nikka was good enough to drag us to the playoffs and out of the lottery alone. We would have been fukked and treadmilling anyway.

Nah, we were on our way to a lottery pick even before he got injured. We had the worst record in basketball since Christmas before he got hurt. Worst team in basketball for a month with no signs of turning around. His injury just stopped the front office and coaching staff from chasing a pipedream (and that's an indictment on all of 'em btw, I got no love for any of these fools as of right now).

I'm not privy to what picks we would have to give up to get Kyrie so I can't all the way say it wasn't the right move.

But fukk Frank .

The hold up on a Kyrie deal wasn't any one piece in a vacuum, it was the package. To compete we'd need at least 2 firsts (possibly more since we'd be assumed out of the lottery), Frank and Willy just as a start. That's too much. We wouldn't be competing with GS, Houston, Boston (even without Kyrie) or Cleveland to name a few. We'd also have no ability to improve this roster meaningfully for years. It's not a deal you take in retrospect, back then or at all. You need to have enough assets left behind to keep moving or he'd have to be the final piece of the puzzle. For Boston it made sense. They were a top Eastern Conference team with a stockpile of assets and a roster so deep they could survive Gordon Hayward's injury and still be a contender...we weren't there yet and we'll probably need this offseason along with next to even come close (we'll need to be ready then because KP gets maxed out).

 

[storyteller]

i thought this was common knowledge breh but i guess not lol
i agree you dont trade frank for a kemba walker type,
but fukking kyrie irving

If it's frank for Kyrie straight up, I bet everyone in this thread signs up. Unfortunately, we can't use trade override.

 

[seemorecizzy]

If it's frank for Kyrie straight up, I bet everyone in this thread signs up. Unfortunately, we can't use trade override.

so if thats the case why do you draw the line at willy and a first rounder

 

[ISO]

This team lacks depth.

I disagree.

This team with a competent coach would be in a better place right now, when I see our roster outside of PG play which Kyrie would have addressed, I don’t see a roster devoid of talent.

Lee-Solid 3&D player
Timmy-gunning wing, microwave scorer I think he and Kyrie would complement each other well
Kanter-double double machine
Beasley-microwave scoring combo forward
McDermott-off-ball threat, cutter+shooter
O’Quinn-high end energy big with passing skills, enforcer
Thomas-hustler+defender, low end 3&D player
Jack-Veteran back up point with P&R and midrange skills

Is that really poor depth around a KP/Kyrie duo?

 

[ISO]

Cleveland was never even taking that Frank and Willy package so all this talk is pointless.

 

[seemorecizzy]

Cleveland was never even taking that Frank and Willy package so all this talk is pointless.

Most likely not
But you never no
That isnt even the argument tho
That trade would of been a gift from god to us and u got people saying they would turn it down

 

[RickyGQ]

I think a chunk of the impatience has to do with the fact that he's been pegged as a Phil pick. But we sent the entire crew to peep him including Mills and most importantly Clarence Gaines. A lot of the heads with really good track records vouched for him but it's always been true that he'd be a project. Add the mess this team has been; a head coach no fan likes; missing all of summer league and all but one preseason game; getting less opportunities than his peers because of a boneheaded playoff push; and the fact that he's a 19 year old over here with no family; his splits when playing with KP/THJ; his defensive splits period....there are a gang of reasons that we shouldn't give up on a prospect.

P.S. Brickley working with Frank this offseason would be great.

Yea, I’m sure they’ll get some workouts in, but he’s already said he’s going back to France in the off season. Can’t say I’m not disappointed. Was hoping he’d get some strength work in as well...