A Blown Knee & Flat Tires-Another NY Pothole Year: 17-18 Knicks Season Thread

[nyknick]

Carmelo will be 7 years into his retirement and people will still argue over this shyt


Phil Jackson has no excuses though, you can't sleep on the job brehs that's a fireable offense in every profession.

 

[Carolina Slim]

Imagine Watching KP Doing This After Trading Him, They’d Have To Blow MSG To Pieces

That would have been the one thing that might have made me throw my support behind the Nets or something; and if enough Knicks fans started boycotting the games behind that, might have been ehough to force Dolan to sell.

 

[storyteller]

For the sake of sorta involving myself in the ongoing Phil talk, we've had exactly ZERO GM's that I would say did a truly good job since Layden. Layden and IT are the bottom two in that span for setting us back years beyond their presence with no light at the end of the tunnel. Grunwald is next on the strength of two decisions that were awful...Amnestying Billups' expiring which effectively removed us from contention for CP3 and then trading a first for Bargnani who was about to be released. The amnesty is debatable because we got a very good Tyson Chandler but long term it hurt beyond his initial year and the Bargs deal is arguably the worst of any of these guys with IT's first round pick give-aways burning it. Then there's Walsh and Phil; both left the team in better shape than they received but both had major missteps. Walsh never got D'antoni a PG, dealt away multiple assets for a second max slot and then only used one max on Amare. The Melo trade comes down to how you view it and whether you blame Walsh or Dolan for it. Phil's Chandler trade was bad but his biggest issues were coach selections and alienating players. Phil does win the "which GM left us in the best shape though" which was as easy to win as not trading future picks but also includes some nice draft selections including KP.

They all sucked, the top two for me are Walsh and Phil...we had a chance to build on what they left behind unlike their predecessors. That doesn't erase that they both did pretty bad and coulda done way better, but this is competition with some of the worst GM jobs done in history.

 

[Carolina Slim]

Carmelo will be 7 years into his retirement and people will still argue over this shyt


Phil Jackson has no excuses though, you can't sleep on the job brehs that's a fireable offense in every profession.

Word to the bolded. I remember when I got this job as a security guard in the Viacom building by Times Square; I had the 12AM-8AM shift, never worked nights before. We used to have these probes that we had to hit on every floor, it would show back in the main office that we were doing our rounds. I took a lil break in this empty office at around 2AM, and next thing I know, I wake up at like 5AM. I panicked and went back to base to hand in my walkie talkie and uniform, cause I was sure I was dunzo. Surprisingly nothing happened, nobody said anything. But I knew if I kept that shift I eventually would get got.

 

[GetInTheTruck]

How so? Speak on it...

Making sure every player touches the ball so they are more likely to play harder on defense, waiting for the best opportunity to shoot the ball and not ISOing every time down the floor...that's triangle philosophy breh, even though they technically may not be running the official "triangle offense." The media pulled a okie doke on people...GSW and the Spurs incorporate some triangle principles too. Phil wasn't trying to force some foreign system on players, he wanted the team to transition to team basketball. But of course for people like Melo and Rose that was hard to accept.

I didn't really have a problem with Melo being the main guy every time down the floor back when he was in his prime, but he's over the hill, he not built like that anymore. And Rose was just garbage.

 

[Derek Lee]

 

[K-ZOE]

Making sure every player touches the ball so they are more likely to play harder on defense, waiting for the best opportunity to shoot the ball and not ISOing every time down the floor...that's triangle philosophy breh, even though they technically may not be running the official "triangle offense." The media pulled a okie doke on people...GSW and the Spurs incorporate some triangle principles too. Phil wasn't trying to force some foreign system on players, he wanted the team to transition to team basketball. But of course for people like Melo and Rose that was hard to accept.

I didn't really have a problem with Melo being the main guy every time down the floor back when he was in his prime, but he's over the hill, he not built like that anymore. And Rose was just garbage.

Come on breh. They are playing smart, basic basketball. That doesn't make it "triangle philosophy".


EDIT: Also Rose averaged 18 a game last year. Far from garbage. A good triangle PG? No. A pass 1st or playmaker PG like KP needs? No.

And over the hill Melo is averaging a shade under 24 points this year.

 

[I.V.]

Lame trying(and failing something you have in common with Melo) to make witty comments when your soul is hurt cause Phil was right the whole time.

Feel free to steer clear of this thread. A post like this shows you haven't really been paying attention to the Knicks or the NBA for the last three years.

Breh KP and his bro were trying to flex on the org and Phil was checking him. No way in hell was he going to trade him.

No, man. He drafted KP, which is great. But aside form that, Phil made a string of terrible decisions, starting with the No Trade Clause to Melo, hired shytty coaches, never put a development plan in place, feuded with players and coaches, shyt all over the value of their one trade asset, and couldn't pick a rebuild philosophy, signing old and broken vets, and fukking up the salary cap and roster composition.

... And when his one great move, porzingis became frustrated, he threatened to trade him.

If he had stuck with his original plan, which was a full rebuild - hence the KP draft pick - he may have been good at this. But he got thirsty, traded his rebuild for a shot at the 8 seed (a move many on this site lauded) - and when it collapsed, he blamed everyone but himself for his bad bets.

Sorry, man. He had to go.

nix lowkey got a core?

Not yet. If they come away from this summer with one of the top SF's, then they're in business.

Where you at @Mr. Jack Napier?


You was praying and praying for KP's downfall. :bronplz2:


How's that Melo stanning working out for you? :ldstare:

He's definitely helping OKC build with all them bricks he be putting up. :shaqlols3:

These dudes - on this site, on twitter - are doing what they always do. Waiting for the next losing streak so they can chirp. Phil failed here, Melo failed here, and it was time to move on two years ago. Melo is in a better place now, playing with stars, maybe they come together and make a run... and when the knicks drop 3-4 in a row... these same guys will pop out to be like "see, KP wasn't ready"

When he's not supposed to be ready - this team still needs to lose.

The variety of ways he can score, and at 7'3" it's just hard to bother his shot. The Knicks aren't that far off, the biggest hole on their team is at SF.

Buddah bless him.

That would have been the one thing that might have made me throw my support behind the Nets or something; and if enough Knicks fans started boycotting the games behind that, might have been ehough to force Dolan to sell.

I really would have had to stop rooting for them.

 

[ISO]

For the sake of sorta involving myself in the ongoing Phil talk, we've had exactly ZERO GM's that I would say did a truly good job since Layden. Layden and IT are the bottom two in that span for setting us back years beyond their presence with no light at the end of the tunnel. Grunwald is next on the strength of two decisions that were awful...Amnestying Billups' expiring which effectively removed us from contention for CP3 and then trading a first for Bargnani who was about to be released. The amnesty is debatable because we got a very good Tyson Chandler but long term it hurt beyond his initial year and the Bargs deal is arguably the worst of any of these guys with IT's first round pick give-aways burning it. Then there's Walsh and Phil; both left the team in better shape than they received but both had major missteps. Walsh never got D'antoni a PG, dealt away multiple assets for a second max slot and then only used one max on Amare. The Melo trade comes down to how you view it and whether you blame Walsh or Dolan for it. Phil's Chandler trade was bad but his biggest issues were coach selections and alienating players. Phil does win the "which GM left us in the best shape though" which was as easy to win as not trading future picks but also includes some nice draft selections including KP.

They all sucked, the top two for me are Walsh and Phil...we had a chance to build on what they left behind unlike their predecessors. That doesn't erase that they both did pretty bad and coulda done way better, but this is competition with some of the worst GM jobs done in history.

I fukked with Donnie Walsh

 

[Knicksman20]

For the sake of sorta involving myself in the ongoing Phil talk, we've had exactly ZERO GM's that I would say did a truly good job since Layden. Layden and IT are the bottom two in that span for setting us back years beyond their presence with no light at the end of the tunnel. Grunwald is next on the strength of two decisions that were awful...Amnestying Billups' expiring which effectively removed us from contention for CP3 and then trading a first for Bargnani who was about to be released. The amnesty is debatable because we got a very good Tyson Chandler but long term it hurt beyond his initial year and the Bargs deal is arguably the worst of any of these guys with IT's first round pick give-aways burning it. Then there's Walsh and Phil; both left the team in better shape than they received but both had major missteps. Walsh never got D'antoni a PG, dealt away multiple assets for a second max slot and then only used one max on Amare. The Melo trade comes down to how you view it and whether you blame Walsh or Dolan for it. Phil's Chandler trade was bad but his biggest issues were coach selections and alienating players. Phil does win the "which GM left us in the best shape though" which was as easy to win as not trading future picks but also includes some nice draft selections including KP.

They all sucked, the top two for me are Walsh and Phil...we had a chance to build on what they left behind unlike their predecessors. That doesn't erase that they both did pretty bad and coulda done way better, but this is competition with some of the worst GM jobs done in history.

I'd argue Grunfeld did the best. He brought in Allan Houston, Spree, & Camby.

 

[storyteller]

I fukked with Donnie Walsh

If you combined Walsh's overall front office temperament with Phil's drafting...you'd still have terrible FA signings but we'd be in pretty good shape regardless. I just never forgave Walsh for bringing in Pringles to coach and never giving him a PG to work with that was better than Duhon. Dude had the 8th pick in a draft loaded with PG's, grabbed Jordan Hill.

 

[storyteller]

I'd argue Grunfeld did the best. He brought in Allan Houston, Spree, & Camby.

I won't even compare him to the Layden and beyond group because he's on a pedestal as far as Knicks GM's from my lifetime are concerned.

 

[ikbm]

Come on breh. They are playing smart, basic basketball. That doesn't make it "triangle philosophy".


EDIT: Also Rose averaged 18 a game last year. Far from garbage. A good triangle PG? No. A pass 1st or playmaker PG like KP needs? No.

And over the hill Melo is averaging a shade under 24 points this year.

they have ran triangle sets this year. i've seen it with my own two eyes with kp in the mid post.
dont be dense. points =/= running an efficient and effective offense...damian lillard is an example of a shoot first pg that would actually work well with kp cause his vision isnt horrendous like roses
there is legitmately no excuse for rose to have the ball as much as he did last year and average 4 assists sorry.
rose can get his. melo can always get his....but does that equate to good basketball when the two players that have the ball the most love to zone out and take shots without giving a fukk about what everyone else is doing? also doesnt help that they're terrible on defense but thats another story.
this isnt an anti melo or rose post. i fukk with them as people but good god almighty they arent the model basketball players.

 

[Miles Davis]

Yeah I never understood how the ball movement wasn't better under the likes of Galloway, Shane Larkin, Jose Calderon, and shoot first, second, and third PG's like D Rose. And we always had such smart playmaker types on the wing like Lance and Shump. Great passing bigs like Chandler and Stat. It was so weird.



You dudes need to let it go. Melo is off the team like you wanted. Stop speaking on him. KP was not ready for primetime last year. Last year he couldn't score on Marcus Smart in the post. He wasn't even smart enough to turn and shoot over him. He was also worn out by February as the 2nd option. Chill. This summer he took a huge leap and is ready now. But I still have concerns over his long term durability.

Melo isn't your problem anymore, let him do him. Some of you dudes are acting like chicks shytting on your ex-boyfriend talking about how bad he was during the relationship. Yet you kept taking him back every time he dogged you and now you have amnesia.

I hope the Knicks make the playoffs and OKC makes at least the WCF. You cats would be ready to commit that

Forreal, just enjoy it. Ol miserable asses.

 

[Trapperman Dave]

Does kp get at least one 50 point game this season?