The question I got is who deserves a rematch with Crawford more.... Errol Spence or Mean Machine?
7/29/2023 Showtime PPV presents The King of Fighters: Errol 'The Truth' Spence Jr vs Terence 'Bud' Crawford(WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO/Ring/Lineal 147 titles)
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chunky_mcdaniels
All Star
Hahahaah. What makes you think that?
UpAndComing
Veteran
I'm seeing online alot of people are blaming Derrick James for not stopping the fight sooner and waiting for the Ref to do it
To me that is pure arrogance and ego for not stopping the fight. He didn't want the satisfaction of the millions watching him "losing to Bomac" by waving a towel. Like I been saying, dude is just odd
To me that is pure arrogance and ego for not stopping the fight. He didn't want the satisfaction of the millions watching him "losing to Bomac" by waving a towel. Like I been saying, dude is just odd
He kept saying Spence didn't fight nobody..needing ro prove himself. We've seen the Roy interviews a million times. He was definitely anti Spence. Walked it back in recent months but he said he needed to prove himself against Porter...he did...still gave him no credit. Crawford was fighting flakes and has beens that entire time too. Odd.
Looked like it to me..it also looked like Spence wasnt himself in the least.at 147 performance wise, was this Buds best one sided ass whipping ?
I guess Floyd, Leonard, and Canelo gassed him up too by what they've said about him the last 5 years. Lol.Errol Spence and his Youtube/PBC fans really gassed him up to think he is God's gift to the world. Came back to bite him
Rev Leon Lonnie Love
damned mine eyes, DAMNED mine eyes!!
nikkas treating Spence like a D level boxer off of ONE loss will never cease to amaze me 
Lurking Class Hero
Medicine for loneliness
7th round was probably the best time to throw the towel. Problem was, the 3rd knock down came right at the bell, and Bud took his time in the 8th. Add to that the magnitude of the fight, and the fact that Spence kept fighting back, and you end up with a too late stoppage. So yeah, he should've thrown the towel as soon as Spence got dropped a 3rd time, but I think you're being a bit harsh on him, I get why he didn't. There's also probably the 'Maybe Spence will land something big and get us out of trouble' factor which naturally comes with having a heavy handed undefeated fighter. I think this is more likely the cause than sheer ego.
ESPN ranked Canelo higher than Bivol on their pound for pound list AND removed Errol altogethernikkas treating Spence like a D level boxer off of ONE loss will never cease to amaze me
nikkas treating Spence like a D level boxer off of ONE loss will never cease to amaze me
ESPN ranked Canelo higher than Bivol on their pound for pound list AND removed Errol altogether
It's fukked up but this is the treatment that Crawford received before the fight. Remember Showtime wouldn't acknowledge him at all.
Knicksman20
Superstar
Roy never talked bad about Spence. Don't believe that bullshyt. The fan boys & Spence himself are/were in their feelings
That's the thing. Before July 29th, if you said anyone not named Floyd Mayweather or Manny Pacquiao was better than Spence, nikkas would legit question your boxing acumen.
I get it but I kinda don't because it makes me wonder if they watched anyone else.
Breadman,
Short and sweet: tell us what you saw in the fight. I'm already seeing people say it was the car crash why can't they just give the winner the credit. Errol didn't make any excuses he's a real dude and a class act I give him as many flowers as I give Crawford even if he lost. Another way to look at it is, the best fighters often have their true talent brought out of them against their best opponents. Errol's a real one, and so is Bud. People need to realize, the fanboy-like excuses they make and alternately the put downs they dole out and so on are partly responsible for why we don't get as many big fights like this as we should do.
Much respect
Bread’s Response: Ok I’ve always said that the reason why Errol’s stamina always looks so good is because he fights at the same rhythm and pace that he hits the pads and bag with. So his heart rate is never disrupted. So Crawford obviously studied his rhythm. He didn’t take long to adjust to it because he had it down pact. While Spence is praised for his sound fundamentals. His attack was predictable to Crawford. Errol steps with his jab. As you’re supposed to do but it didn’t have a variation. So Crawford stayed in the southpaw stance, put his rear/left glove on the right side of his face and caught Errol’s jab and jabbed back. Or feinted Errol and jabbed WITH him.
Errol rarely leads with a hook and he throws punches from the same set up. So Crawford was safe with that left hand on the right side of his face because he knew a jab or big left hand was coming and Errol rarely leads with a right HOOK.
Errol did hit Crawford. But he never hit him with anything he didn’t see because he punches from the same set up everytime. I saw Bud’s eyes locked in on Errol and Bud was able to lead and counter Errol. Once Bud established his jab he would beat Errol to the THOUGHT of the next exchange. Sometimes he would allow Errol to lead and counter. Other times he would jab Errol off of his attack. Then after the 4th round he started sneaking body shots in. He didn’t overly commit to the body but he sat the right ones in there to zap Errol. So now Errol is a state of chaos. If he leads, Crawford counters. If he jabs, Crawford outjabs him. If he waits, Crawford just picks him apart. Errol showed next level determination. That kid has no quit him whatsoever. But Crawford processed what was happening much faster. What happened to Errol would have broken 99% of fighters. Errol was never broken and continued to try to win until the end….
Errol really doesn’t apply head movement. He blocks punches he steps away from them. Crawford favors his right hand, so he threw several variations past Spence’s gloves like Ugas did. I bring this up because again, Errol doesn’t utilize a lot of head movement. I’m not knocking his defense but his defense consist of a high guard and using his feet. Crawford’s feet are more coordinated and Crawford throws whipping punches from so many angles that a defense like Errol's he can eat up.
Looking back Errol would have had to have Hagler’s chin and Pryor’s volume to overcome Crawford and maybe that wouldn’t have been enough…After the knockdown in the 7th, I saw Crawford take his time in the 8th. I don’t know why. Maybe because he felt Errol was still dangerous. People say he gave him a break. I don’t know what it was but I did notice Crawford’s aggression quelled in the 8th. In the 9th he attacked again and forced a stoppage.
In my lifetime I have seen about a dozen PERFECT fights. That was one of them. Incredible. Absolute. Perfect fight.
Mayweather vs Corrales, Bhop vs Tito, Barrera vs Hamed, Pacman vs Oscar, Duran vs Leonard 1, Leonard vs Duran II, Jones vs Toney, Toney vs Barkley, Sanchez vs Gomez, Whitaker vs Ramirez, Chavez vs Rosario, Usyk vs Gassiev, McGirt vs Brown, Inoue vs Fulton. No we have Crawford vs Spence. That’s how good of a performance that was.
Short and sweet: tell us what you saw in the fight. I'm already seeing people say it was the car crash why can't they just give the winner the credit. Errol didn't make any excuses he's a real dude and a class act I give him as many flowers as I give Crawford even if he lost. Another way to look at it is, the best fighters often have their true talent brought out of them against their best opponents. Errol's a real one, and so is Bud. People need to realize, the fanboy-like excuses they make and alternately the put downs they dole out and so on are partly responsible for why we don't get as many big fights like this as we should do.
Much respect
Bread’s Response: Ok I’ve always said that the reason why Errol’s stamina always looks so good is because he fights at the same rhythm and pace that he hits the pads and bag with. So his heart rate is never disrupted. So Crawford obviously studied his rhythm. He didn’t take long to adjust to it because he had it down pact. While Spence is praised for his sound fundamentals. His attack was predictable to Crawford. Errol steps with his jab. As you’re supposed to do but it didn’t have a variation. So Crawford stayed in the southpaw stance, put his rear/left glove on the right side of his face and caught Errol’s jab and jabbed back. Or feinted Errol and jabbed WITH him.
Errol rarely leads with a hook and he throws punches from the same set up. So Crawford was safe with that left hand on the right side of his face because he knew a jab or big left hand was coming and Errol rarely leads with a right HOOK.
Errol did hit Crawford. But he never hit him with anything he didn’t see because he punches from the same set up everytime. I saw Bud’s eyes locked in on Errol and Bud was able to lead and counter Errol. Once Bud established his jab he would beat Errol to the THOUGHT of the next exchange. Sometimes he would allow Errol to lead and counter. Other times he would jab Errol off of his attack. Then after the 4th round he started sneaking body shots in. He didn’t overly commit to the body but he sat the right ones in there to zap Errol. So now Errol is a state of chaos. If he leads, Crawford counters. If he jabs, Crawford outjabs him. If he waits, Crawford just picks him apart. Errol showed next level determination. That kid has no quit him whatsoever. But Crawford processed what was happening much faster. What happened to Errol would have broken 99% of fighters. Errol was never broken and continued to try to win until the end….
Errol really doesn’t apply head movement. He blocks punches he steps away from them. Crawford favors his right hand, so he threw several variations past Spence’s gloves like Ugas did. I bring this up because again, Errol doesn’t utilize a lot of head movement. I’m not knocking his defense but his defense consist of a high guard and using his feet. Crawford’s feet are more coordinated and Crawford throws whipping punches from so many angles that a defense like Errol's he can eat up.
Looking back Errol would have had to have Hagler’s chin and Pryor’s volume to overcome Crawford and maybe that wouldn’t have been enough…After the knockdown in the 7th, I saw Crawford take his time in the 8th. I don’t know why. Maybe because he felt Errol was still dangerous. People say he gave him a break. I don’t know what it was but I did notice Crawford’s aggression quelled in the 8th. In the 9th he attacked again and forced a stoppage.
In my lifetime I have seen about a dozen PERFECT fights. That was one of them. Incredible. Absolute. Perfect fight.
Mayweather vs Corrales, Bhop vs Tito, Barrera vs Hamed, Pacman vs Oscar, Duran vs Leonard 1, Leonard vs Duran II, Jones vs Toney, Toney vs Barkley, Sanchez vs Gomez, Whitaker vs Ramirez, Chavez vs Rosario, Usyk vs Gassiev, McGirt vs Brown, Inoue vs Fulton. No we have Crawford vs Spence. That’s how good of a performance that was.