7/29/2023 Showtime PPV presents The King of Fighters: Errol 'The Truth' Spence Jr vs Terence 'Bud' Crawford(WBC/WBA/IBF/WBO/Ring/Lineal 147 titles)

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((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL

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Rabid crawford fanboys: "Crawford totally exposed PBC rooster"

Boxing: "Who should Crawford fight next"

fanboys: "Charlo, Tim Tszyu, Boots or Thurman"

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Whoever said bud shouldn't fight PBC guys?....We don't believe in blackballing and freezing anybody out. Thats the PBC way of doing things. That's not what keeps the sport moving forward. Everybody who's deserving should get their turn. Whether they're on PBC, top rank, or dazn. No fighter should ever be blackballed. That type of shyt is disgusting.
 

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😂 acting like Bud ain't a all-time great and couldn't give Floyd major problems.

I know it's sacrilegious to say this but he was a champ at 135, unified 140 and 147 and BEAT THE BREAKS OFF the #2 undefeated prime best opponent who held 3 belts. These are FACTS

This is like saying Kobe (god bless his soul) wouldn't hang with MJ at his peak.
 

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Bud handled his career perfectly fine. When you talk about Spence ducking bud All these PBC stans always say "well then he shouldn't have re-signed with top rank"


And why not?:dahell:.....he was getting paid more money at top rank than any of them dudes at PBC were getting paid. By far. them guys were getting 1-2 mil for the biggest fights of their lives. While bud was making 5 mil for fights against amir Khan and Kell brook. He was running bobs pockets over there. Something all the PBC guys never had the guts to do with Al haymon. They just took whatever chump change they were offered with a smile on their face.

Maybe people shouldn't be asking why bud signed with top tank and be asking why PBC tried to create a monopoly on the entire sport. Even when bud finally left top rank, PBC tried to give him a bullshyt deal like they do everybody else and Bud told them to eat a dikk. He exposed them for all their bullshyt and let em know he's not gonna fall in line like everybody else. And guess what. He walked away with a 20 mil guarantee. Not only that. He even got Errol Spence a 20 mil guarantee. By sticking to his guns and refusing to bend the knee. Bud been had control of his career. That's why he's better off than PBC's whole roster right now.

But it's all good. Cause karma gets everybody in the end. Cause he's on top of the world now. Went into their turf and brutally exposed their best fighter. And then topped it off by getting on the mic and directly shytting on PBC for blackballing him on their own network. King shyt :banderas:
Get off the stan shyt for a second and see what I was saying. It doesn’t matter if Crawford was making more than PBC fighters, or that he got 10 for his last fight or 20 for this one. My point is that he could’ve been making that much for the last five years for every fight if these high caliber fights took place years earlier. PBC plays a huge part in that as do Top Rank and Bud. These promotional companies milk these fighters for far too long getting decent money against favorable matchups which works great for the fighter but severely limits their earning potential because the fights don’t generate buzz.

What helped Floyd and Manny make their names was swallowing ego and making less than half of a De La Hoya for the chance to showcase their talents and personalities. Once they increased their exposure the price of the brick went up for every fight after. Same way Spence was going to take a a lesser percentage to fight Manny. Bud being hard in negotiations is an example of winning a battle for individual fights but losing the war for when it comes to long money. A generation talent only getting that recognition at 36.
 

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Now this is the part of the thread where people start trying to line up people they think that can beat Bud

"Ummm..yeah Boots can beat him :damn:!!!"

"Keith Thurman can give him a test!! :damn:"
"Well... how about Charlo?!?! :damn: "


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nikkas don't even be fans of the fighters for real. They just want to see the other guy lose because he kicked the shyt outta their guy. :heh:
 

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Get off the stan shyt for a second and see what I was saying. It doesn’t matter if Crawford was making more than PBC fighters, or that he got 10 for his last fight or 20 for this one. My point is that he could’ve been making that much for the last five years for every fight if these high caliber fights took place years earlier. PBC plays a huge part in that as do Top Rank and Bud. These promotional companies milk these fighters for far too long getting decent money against favorable matchups which works great for the fighter but severely limits their earning potential because the fights don’t generate buzz.

What helped Floyd and Manny make their names was swallowing ego and making less than half of a De La Hoya for the chance to showcase their talents and personalities. Once they increased their exposure the price of the brick went up for every fight after. Same way Spence was going to take a a lesser percentage to fight Manny. Bud being hard in negotiations is an example of winning a battle for individual fights but losing the war for when it comes to long money. A generation talent only getting that recognition at 36.
Of course he could have been doing this earlier. My point is that he did everything in his power to do exactly that. He tried for years to make this fight happen. He tried for years to get these PBC guys in the ring. And they froze him out. All they said was "you're on the wrong side of the street".....PBC wouldn't even acknowledge him on their telecasts. Didn't even show his picture when they brought up the top welters. They wouldn't even mention his name. They literally pretended he didn't even exist. That's what I'm saying.

What do you do at that point?.....if you're Terence Crawford and an entire company is freezing you out, what do you do?....you just gotta move forward and make the fights that you can. Bud getting his first mega fight at 36 was in no way any fault of his own. He did everything he could to make this happen years ago. This is 100% on PBC and PBC only.
 

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that he got 10 for his last fight or 20 for this one. My point is that he could’ve been making that much for the last five years for every fight if these high caliber fights took place years earlier.
How could he have made that much when Spence wasn't even making that much. @((ReFleXioN)) EteRNaL already highlighted how Crawford was making much more than any other PBC welter besides Spence. They got their highest payday from fighting each other. Porter got paid $1million to fight Ugas, what reasoning are you using to suggest Crawford would have been getting high paydays for fighting the same guys?

What helped Floyd and Manny make their names was swallowing ego and making less than half of a De La Hoya
Floyd got over $20 mil to fight Oscar, Manny got less but he was also coming up from lower weights and had less PPVs under his belt. Either way both dudes were earning an order of magnitude more than they usually did to fight Oscar. You making it seem like they took discounts to get a foot in the door :mjlol:.

either way it's kind of an irrelevant argument since negotiations never even got to the point for them to argue over money until Bud became a free agent due to "the easy route" and its zero evidence PBC ever tried to recruit him away from TR to begin with
 

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"It means everything because of WHO I took the belts from. They tried to blackball me. They tried to keep me out. They talked bad about me. Said I wasn't good enough.....but I just kept my head to the sky. And I kept praying to God that I would get the opportunity to show how great Terence Crawford is. And tonight I showed how great I am"



Talk your shyt bud :wow:



Karma is a bytch:banderas:



 

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Get off the stan shyt for a second and see what I was saying. It doesn’t matter if Crawford was making more than PBC fighters, or that he got 10 for his last fight or 20 for this one. My point is that he could’ve been making that much for the last five years for every fight if these high caliber fights took place years earlier. PBC plays a huge part in that as do Top Rank and Bud. These promotional companies milk these fighters for far too long getting decent money against favorable matchups which works great for the fighter but severely limits their earning potential because the fights don’t generate buzz.

What helped Floyd and Manny make their names was swallowing ego and making less than half of a De La Hoya for the chance to showcase their talents and personalities. Once they increased their exposure the price of the brick went up for every fight after. Same way Spence was going to take a a lesser percentage to fight Manny. Bud being hard in negotiations is an example of winning a battle for individual fights but losing the war for when it comes to long money. A generation talent only getting that recognition at 36.
Yea in a perfect and fair world a whole lot of shyt coulda happened.. Crawford couldn't have known beforehand that the PBC welterweights would try to freeze him out or that his own promoter would sabatoge a megafight with Manny Pacquiao.. the suits do play a major part in why a lot of fighters don't get the pay and recognition they deserve earlier. Or rather, they unfairly pick n choose which fighter they wanna push regardless of talent.. Floyd n Manny may have swallowed their ego but neither of them had to leave their promotional company to get offered a take or leave $0 guarantee while only getting 35% for the biggest fight in boxing
 

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Get off the stan shyt for a second and see what I was saying. It doesn’t matter if Crawford was making more than PBC fighters, or that he got 10 for his last fight or 20 for this one. My point is that he could’ve been making that much for the last five years for every fight if these high caliber fights took place years earlier. PBC plays a huge part in that as do Top Rank and Bud. These promotional companies milk these fighters for far too long getting decent money against favorable matchups which works great for the fighter but severely limits their earning potential because the fights don’t generate buzz.

What helped Floyd and Manny make their names was swallowing ego and making less than half of a De La Hoya for the chance to showcase their talents and personalities. Once they increased their exposure the price of the brick went up for every fight after. Same way Spence was going to take a a lesser percentage to fight Manny. Bud being hard in negotiations is an example of winning a battle for individual fights but losing the war for when it comes to long money. A generation talent only getting that recognition at 36.


This is exactly why Shakur should have taken the 25% deal against Haney.

He wins, he's undisputed and he's the man in the division, increases his exposure, likely dominates on his first PPV and can basically ride that magic carpet ride forever.
 

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Of course he could have been doing this earlier. My point is that he did everything in his power to do exactly that. He tried for years to make this fight happen. He tried for years to get these PBC guys in the ring. And they froze him out. All they said was "you're on the wrong side of the street".....PBC wouldn't even acknowledge him on their telecasts. Didn't even show his picture when they brought up the top welters. They wouldn't even mention his name. They literally pretended he didn't even exist. That's what I'm saying.

What do you do at that point?.....if you're Terence Crawford and an entire company is freezing you out, what do you do?....you just gotta move forward and make the fights that you can. Bud getting his first mega fight at 36 was in no way any fault of his own. He did everything he could to make this happen years ago. This is 100% on PBC and PBC only.

this is just sad....you on here blaming PBC because Top Rank did not develop or care about their fighters star power....He was signed with Top Rank for 12 years...12 YEARS.....and then he RESIGNED with them. Dudes be on here talking about Gervonta was made a star by fighting bums so why couldn't Terence become a star by fighting no names on Top Rank?:jbhmm:
 

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this is just sad....you on here blaming PBC because Top Rank did not develop or care about their fighters star power....He was signed with Top Rank for 12 years...12 YEARS.....and then he RESIGNED with them. Dudes be on here talking about Gervonta was made a star by fighting bums so why couldn't Terence become a star by fighting no names on Top Rank?:jbhmm:
What the fukk are you babbling about. Who's talking about star power. We're talking about making fights. And PBC refused to make this fight for years. They refused any fight with Terence cause they knew he would expose all their fighters. And he did exactly that Saturday night.

All that shyt don't even matter anymore. Cause PBC got their karma in the end. Bud made them bend the knee then he exposed Spence in front of the world. All those years of stalling by PBC only made that ass whooping 10 times worse for Errol. They allowed bud to fully grow into 147 and perfect his craft. 5 years ago Spence woulda had a much better chance. Now he's probably never gonna be the same again. You can blame Al haymon for that.


#FishFried
 

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Dudes be on here talking about Gervonta was made a star by fighting bums so why couldn't Terence become a star by fighting no names on Top Rank?:jbhmm:

Fans....

For reasons unbeknownst to me (not really), black fight fans are grossly enamored with PBC fighters. It's been that way for about the last 7 or 8 years.

fukk who's the talented or most skilled. They with PBC, they just be better than everybody else.
 
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