[7/06 - 8/12] NJPW Present: G1 Climax 29

[TheGodling]

Naito is like the only nicca with a finisher that it takes like 2-3 time to hit to put an opponent away

Yeah, even Okada still manages to win matches with a single Rainmaker from time to time. Destino is basically a signature move that adds up and up until it does get a pin.

And yes, I know the "variations" of the Destino make the difference but that is just a shytty excuse IMO.

 

[krackdagawd]

Ayo the announcer's hate for Switchblade is status.

I get Rocky hating him because he is in Chaos but what is Chris problem with dude "HE'S DONE IT AGAIN "

 

[stro]

Jay White feels like he's the lone ROH guy running around NJ right now

 

[stro]

Goto desperately needs to be loaned out to some other company. Any other company. Even ROH would be preferable. There are few guys anywhere in the world that are such damaged goods and in such a deep rut. WWE does more with Ziggler from time to time than NJ does with Goto.

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Yano is still holding it down for me in this tournament

That last match was fantastic

I don’t get the Jay White hate, he’s solid to me. He can actually put on a good match in the ring and love his trolling and chicken shyt heel tactics.

Goto? Yea I get it and admit he is dope, but not really sure what everyone wants from him? I’m not sure I’d really wanna see him a champ or bigger than the cats they have as champs now.

Hell the way y’all feel and complaining about Goto, I’d rather see Minoro get thar push

 

[DaylitoJames]

Naito is like the only nicca with a finisher that it takes like 2-3 time to hit to put an opponent away

Don't Sanada be hitting repeat Moonsaults to beat some opponents? One is rarely enough at times

 

[Jmare007]

I don’t get the Jay White hate, he’s solid to me. He can actually put on a good match in the ring and love his trolling and chicken shyt heel tactics.

Goto? Yea I get it and admit he is dope, but not really sure what everyone wants from him? I’m not sure I’d really wanna see him a champ or bigger than the cats they have as champs now.

Hell the way y’all feel and complaining about Goto, I’d rather see Minoro get thar push

I think a lot of people resent Jay White because of his push more than his talent as a wrestler. I think the vast majority admits he's a good worker, just not one that should be pushed as a 1B champ and be the top gaijin in the company right now. He's like HHH in 99' or Orton, were his push is so hated that a lot of fans tend to focus only on his flaws to shyt on said push and him.

The Goto thing I think it has to do with years of resentment of him never getting a real push nor a legit shot as a main eventer. I agree that nowadays he shouldn't be at the top but every time someone sees a good/great match of his you are reminded of "shyt, this guy got fukkED by booking didn't he?".

To me, the time to give Goto a shot was from 07' to 11' - before Okada showed up, basically -, at this point he should be either freelancing or just invading other companies and being a top guy there (what MiSu and Kensuke Sasaki did).

I think stro was talking about Goto having NOTHING going on though, like no feud, angle, storyline. But I don't follow NJ that closely to know if I'm way off on that.

Naito is like the only nicca with a finisher that it takes like 2-3 time to hit to put an opponent away

He has the Stardust Press (a Phoenix Splash type move) but people believed the bullshyt that him using it meant going back to his old gimmick so he couldn't win matches with that move either

In all seriousness, my guess is he stopped doing it because it probably fukked his knees (or other body part) up. It is weird he never came up with another finisher though.

 

[BrehWyatt]

Don't Sanada be hitting repeat Moonsaults to beat some opponents? One is rarely enough at times

Yeah, but most of his signature offense is soft -- my lone criticism of him. If we're going by effect/looking like it fukked some shyt up, the TKO should be his go-to, probably combo'd with the Moonsault.

But a lot of NJPW's top heavyweights have to spam their finishers. Okada and Naito do it a lot. Tanahashi has too. Outside of the One-Winged Angel I can't recall a time where a top NJPW heavyweight hit his finish and you KNEW it was over.

Hell, right now the most bullet-proof finish out there is probably EVIL's EVIL. Either that or one of ZSJ's super-convoluted holds

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I think a lot of people resent Jay White because of his push more than his talent as a wrestler. I think the vast majority admits he's a good worker, just not one that should be pushed as a 1B champ and be the top gaijin in the company right now. He's like HHH in 99' or Orton, were his push is so hated that a lot of fans tend to focus only on his flaws to shyt on said push and him.

The Goto thing I think it has to do with years of resentment of him never getting a real push nor a legit shot as a main eventer. I agree that nowadays he shouldn't be at the top but every time someone sees a good/great match of his you are reminded of "shyt, this guy got fukkED by booking didn't he?".

To me, the time to give Goto a shot was from 07' to 11' - before Okada showed up, basically -, at this point he should be either freelancing or just invading other companies and being a top guy there (what MiSu and Kensuke Sasaki did).

I think stro was talking about Goto having NOTHING going on though, like no feud, angle, storyline. But I don't follow NJ that closely to know if I'm way off on that.

You made some good points about JW but let me ask this? If you don’t think he should be the top gaijin? Then who? Cobb? Chase Owens? That other Samoan dude that be talking abou the C Block and always in YL matches? Fale?

ZSJ and Ospreay both already seem fine and other than one of the GOD brehs, it just seems like he’s the perfect fit and the only one that really should be the top gaijin. And I didn’t Moxley for obvious reasons

 

[Bryan Danielson]

Damn pressed send too early.

I can see where y’all coming from with the Goto thing as I missed I guess a lot of his early work. When I can in it’s like he was this Never Openweight Champ (or whatever that belt is called) and dominating so that’s why I’m like when people complaining about him not getting a push.... over some of the guys that really are hot

 

[Jmare007]

You made some good points about JW but let me ask this? If you don’t think he should be the top gaijin? Then who? Cobb? Chase Owens? That other Samoan dude that be talking abou the C Block and always in YL matches? Fale?

ZSJ and Ospreay both already seem fine and other than one of the GOD brehs, it just seems like he’s the perfect fit and the only one that really should be the top gaijin. And I didn’t Moxley for obvious reasons

I'm of the belief that, when a puro company doesn't have a gaijin that is a legit star, they can live with having their top foreigner not being the main champion or being in contention all the time. So to me, top gaijin doesn't = AJ Styles/Kenny Omega spot. (other fans don't see it that way though, that why I wrote that was part of the backlash against White).

When Karl Anderson was the main foreigner, dude had some huge matches - were he did great btw, he had a low key very good run fo a couple of years - but he wasn't the 1B star of the company. He wasn't forced into that position. Jay White, nor any gaijing on the roster right now, HAVE to fill that spot right now. That's my main issue with it to be honest.

It feels like New Japan is forcing White to a spot that neither he nor NJ need at the moment. I think dude could be a legit player/star/draw for them in the near future, just fukking wait till he gets there. When Omega left (and he'll be back eventually), he didn't left a void that had to be desperately filled by JW, ZSJ, Ospray, or whoever.

So to the question "if not Jay White, who?". My answer is: right now, nobody. And that's fine. Wait till someone gets enough of a reaction that can justify that level of push. At this moment, it feels like Moxley could be a legit player for New Japan if the AEW relationship gets sorted out soon. But if that doesn't work out, then just keep waiting. Give Jay White other stuff to do instead of constantly being in contention, there are a ton of stuff dude could do to build up to a run on top that actually works. There's no need to rush anything.



BTW, I understand why Gedo did this with White. He basically tried to apply the same formula he did with Omega, which was a huge gamble Gedo made and that paid off better than anyone could've foreseen. I can see the reasoning behind doing it with a "home grown" dude like White.

 

[BrehWyatt]

You made some good points about JW but let me ask this? If you don’t think he should be the top gaijin? Then who? Cobb? Chase Owens? That other Samoan dude that be talking abou the C Block and always in YL matches? Fale?

ZSJ and Ospreay both already seem fine and other than one of the GOD brehs, it just seems like he’s the perfect fit and the only one that really should be the top gaijin. And I didn’t Moxley for obvious reasons

ZSJ. He's a promo, and as a wrestler is the complete anti-thesis of NJPW in terms of style and philosophy. His "hunk-killer" run through the New Japan Cup showed me enough to where I could buy him as the top gaijin heel over there.

 

[23Barrettcity]

I'm of the belief that, when a puro company doesn't have a gaijin that is a legit star, they can live with having their top foreigner not being the main champion or being in contention all the time. So to me, top gaijin doesn't = AJ Styles/Kenny Omega spot. (other fans don't see it that way though, that why I wrote that was part of the backlash against White).

When Karl Anderson was the main foreigner, dude had some huge matches - were he did great btw, he had a low key very good run fo a couple of years - but he wasn't the 1B star of the company. He wasn't forced into that position. Jay White, nor any gaijing on the roster right now, HAVE to fill that spot right now. That's my main issue with it to be honest.

It feels like New Japan is forcing White to a spot that neither he nor NJ need at the moment. I think dude could be a legit player/star/draw for them in the near future, just fukking wait till he gets there. When Omega left (and he'll be back eventually), he didn't left a void that had to be desperately filled by JW, ZSJ, Ospray, or whoever.

So to the question "if not Jay White, who?". My answer is: right now, nobody. And that's fine. Wait till someone gets enough of a reaction that can justify that level of push. At this moment, it feels like Moxley could be a legit player for New Japan if the AEW relationship gets sorted out soon. But if that doesn't work out, then just keep waiting. Give Jay White other stuff to do instead of constantly being in contention, there are a ton of stuff dude could do to build up to a run on top that actually works. There's no need to rush anything.



BTW, I understand why Gedo did this with White. He basically tried to apply the same formula he did with Omega, which was a huge gamble Gedo made and that paid off better than anyone could've foreseen. I can see the reasoning behind doing it with a "home grown" dude like White.

I think the mistake started with making him the leader of bullet club they should of made Tama the leader especially with how he kind of made himself relevant last summer with the g1 fukkery the way Jay became leader was so anticlimactic . Should of led to a like nod type split with Faarooq and the rock . With jay undercutting him then boom he takes over .

 

[Bryan Danielson]

I'm of the belief that, when a puro company doesn't have a gaijin that is a legit star, they can live with having their top foreigner not being the main champion or being in contention all the time. So to me, top gaijin doesn't = AJ Styles/Kenny Omega spot. (other fans don't see it that way though, that why I wrote that was part of the backlash against White).

When Karl Anderson was the main foreigner, dude had some huge matches - were he did great btw, he had a low key very good run fo a couple of years - but he wasn't the 1B star of the company. He wasn't forced into that position. Jay White, nor any gaijing on the roster right now, HAVE to fill that spot right now. That's my main issue with it to be honest.

It feels like New Japan is forcing White to a spot that neither he nor NJ need at the moment. I think dude could be a legit player/star/draw for them in the near future, just fukking wait till he gets there. When Omega left (and he'll be back eventually), he didn't left a void that had to be desperately filled by JW, ZSJ, Ospray, or whoever.

So to the question "if not Jay White, who?". My answer is: right now, nobody. And that's fine. Wait till someone gets enough of a reaction that can justify that level of push. At this moment, it feels like Moxley could be a legit player for New Japan if the AEW relationship gets sorted out soon. But if that doesn't work out, then just keep waiting. Give Jay White other stuff to do instead of constantly being in contention, there are a ton of stuff dude could do to build up to a run on top that actually works. There's no need to rush anything.



BTW, I understand why Gedo did this with White. He basically tried to apply the same formula he did with Omega, which was a huge gamble Gedo made and that paid off better than anyone could've foreseen. I can see the reasoning behind doing it with a "home grown" dude like White.

I feel you and maybe I’m missing something here due to (due to time) I haven’t really been keeping up with NJPW other than G1 and WK.

I don’t mind JW being the top Gaijin, but me personally. I don’t see him as the 1B you’re referring to and I will admit maybe it’s because of the gap of me watching the shows.

Based off the G1, it feels like (and I can’t even pick a 1B) the top guys after Okada are Tanahashi, Ibushi, Naito, Ishii, and Sanada.

Like I don’t know who but anyone of them seems more like they are and have been the 1B guy.

So that’s another reason why to me JW don’t really feel forced or pushed, he had his reign, it ended and it seems like maybe he’s still in contention but so are these other guys and they feel highlighted more. I guess I need to follow more closely what happens after G1

 

[stro]

My thing with Goto isn't that I think he should get a big push, it's that it is impossible to give even the slightest of shyts about anything involving him due to how he's been booked for years now. He desperately needs to be in a smaller company where he can be a big dog and be taken seriously for a while. He's interchangeable with Yoshi Hashi for complete irrelevance in NJ.

As for Jay White, intentionally booking him to get X-Pac heat because that's the only way you could get him any heat at all is not good for anyone.