You're talking about several different issues. Your original post only talked about people sitting on their asses and redistribution of wealth - hence my comment that this is basically an urban legend that is used by the right wing to demonize poor people who rely on social security, medicaid, disability, food stamps etc
It is neither an urban or a city myth, it is both an urban and city reality of not only poor but well to do households.
There was even a woman who won the lottery that kept receiving her welfare checks and never updated them, she kept cashing it.
Also I myself know people who sit on they asses not looking for jobs and are on welfare, on the other side of the negative coin I know people who are on welfare AND have jobs, but those jobs are under the table whether working in a restaurant cleaning or selling drugs. So they don't pay taxes that goes into social programs but also collect welfare checks.
It is not an urban myth, it's 100% true, I can call people guilty of this from my cellie right right now if I wanted to.
Just look at the recent revelations regarding Trump being able to deduct almost $1 BILLION dollars of future income solely based on the fact that he was able to run all of his companies into the ground. Look at the carried interest provisions that allow hedge fund managers to pay a tax rate at the capital gains rate rather than the standard rate. The point of taxing capital gains at a lower rate is that you want to give people an added incentive to actually risk their own money by investing it elsewhere (the stock market or buying/selling properties etc). But hedge fund managers are not risking any of their own money. They are simply pooling together other people's money. How is that fair that someone who has ZERO skin in the game can pay a lower tax rate then someone who uses their own hard earned money to buy/sell securities?
That has nothing to do with welfare breh.
The lack of REAL regulations is largely to blame for why it is that people who were responsible for the bubbles are back in government. People from both parties have weakened what are called revolving door rules. That is why the SEC and all of these financial "regulators" never actually go after the criminals.
It is you who is missing the point.
This "Real" regulation you speak of will never happen in the U.S.
Just like socialism, I'm not necessarily philosophically against it, it's just not for the U.S. with special interest groups having politicians in such a chokehold.
To kill both your arguments with one stone let me say this.
There are two major participants in socialism, the two most important are:
1) The People
2) Government
You cannot trust neither in the U.S.
#1 That's why welfare don't work, and for #2 that's why regulations don't work.
And both together, you cannot trust the recipients of welfare and you cannot trust the redistributor(govt.) of wealth.
SImple breh!
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