40+ Successful professional black women are getting in vitro to be "single mothers by choice"

[Amo Husserl]

I personally did not distinguish between mothers or fathers single parenting.

"I actually don't think there's anything wrong with single parenting as long as the person can afford it and has a lot of love to give. That's really all that matters. Love and resources"

How much in resources does a single mother need to properly provide for a child or children in this stage of late capitalism?

 

[Amo Husserl]

Peoples vanities are getting the best of them.

This isn’t the majority it’s just a small niche of individuals who have the opportunity.

And the bourgeois boutique lifestyle gets marketed to the masses and all of a sudden and, in a generation or two, somebody gotta get blamed for droppin' the ball. Unfortunately, we already got unprofessional women doing what professional women are doing. Is for money, competing with men for social dominance and influence, or women going their own way?

Shyt has already proved dysfunctional, dumping money on fire ain't it.

 

[JNew]

The genders are needed to show children their role in society. Black People in the current day are existing as literal renegades but for some reason are too afraid to realign. We hate structure then cry about one gender not doing their part when there is nobody willing to define what the role should be.

nikkas will continue to exist in an eternal cycle of confusion/death/repeat.

Just like every other race of people the middle class is disappearing.

We are entering a society of have and have nots. The have nots will always be the majority clamoring and confused. Unfortunately for every brother who makes it there are 2 more bitter/mad and hateful.

I’m in my early 30s and it’s safe to say I made it. But friends I grew up with have skill less jobs making just enough, have multiple kids by different women and are mentally unstable. Basically passing on their burdens to the next gen.

I’m still not we’re I want to be but it’s a lot just to get established. By the time I’m ready for kids, the dating scene will be a complete war zone. And at that point unlike women, men just stay childless.

My point is the common denominator will always win.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I agree with you A woman can definitely change a tire but will she?

But I do agree some of us are too invested in our talking points to consider any compromises.

Even a sassy ass unc can be a benefit to a child especially if the father is traditionally masculine.

Role is more than just physical labor, I think we over simplify because we have been renegades so long and the USA encourages it that we view it as a empty as "men pay the bills, women cook".

 

[Apollo Creed]

Just like every other race of people the middle class is disappearing.

We are entering a society of have and have nots. The have nots will always be the majority clamoring and confused. Unfortunately for every brother who makes it there are 2 more bitter/mad and hateful.

I’m in my early 30s and it’s safe to say I made it. But friends I grew up with have skill less jobs making just enough, have multiple kids by different women and are mentally unstable. Basically passing on their burdens to the next gen.

I’m still not we’re I want to be but it’s a lot just to get established. By the time I’m ready for kids, the dating scene will be a complete war zone. And at that point unlike women, men just stay childless.

My point is the common denominator will always win.

Those who rule things stick to the traditions that kept them in power while selling the product of individualism to the peasants to keep them in an endless cycle of being peasants. It's genuis. Peoples ideal of success is working to death in hops of being the best slave (climb the ladder), and buy shyt on credit lol. Men are a little diff at least but you never hear a woman say she is grinding to contribute to her people, it is always self serving, while with mean if family isn't an option or want then a lot of men just say fukk the game and just coast and OD on chasing pleasure (sex, drugs, etc) then die.

 

[timeless]

How much in resources does a single mother need to properly provide for a child or children in this stage of late capitalism?

No idea, but I'm sure you can research that and find out yourself, according to each state.

 

[timeless]

Family and connections are resources as well.

I'm also not assigning a gender to it. Boys need aunties as much as girls need uncles.

True, but some people don't have large families or associates. Some folks have smaller circles. Resourceful but small is a thing too.

 

[timeless]

dead nikkas

RIP

 

[Ohene]

Why’d this thread remind me of this?

who was she talking to

 

[mag357]

Perfect plan. We need to get back to praising ing ourselves, not tearing each other down.

Literally the most important thing

 

[mag357]

Why’d this thread remind me of this?

Damn that bytch sad a medium size pizza..

Ain't no way she freestyled that sht off the dome

 

[DrBanneker]

Anyone else noticing this trend lately? is this the endgame? Over the past few months I have met so many black women who either already got the In vitro fertilization or are in the process of getting it to willingly become single mothers. They all fit the same archetype. Successful black women, career oriented, wanting a top teir man, single and over 40 years old. It's insane to me that these women would rather become single mothers from a sperm bank than date and marry an average breh but this is where we are.

I met a 42 year old chick off a dating app a few weeks ago with a 1 year old and when I asked about the father she told be she voluntarily got in vitro cause she wanted to be mother. I just couldn't take her seriously anymore. Even after they become single mothers they still think they can get a top tier breh. Are these women that delusional? Why would you willingly lower your value on the dating market?

Here is an article on it I found
Changing the Narrative Around Black Single Motherhood - Seattle Sperm Bank

@Suge Shot Me @ThrobbingHood

You guys are not hallucinating....I pulled up birth stats for 40+ non-Hispanic Black women with at least a bachelors degree who used IVF and it seems there is a serious post-COVID surge in this phenomenon. But to be fair, the rate of increase for married and unmarried Black women is not too different though unmarried 40+ educated Black women increased at higher rates each year and jumped 154% from 2016 to 2013 compared to married women who jumped 123% over the same period. The rates were much higher post COVID as you see

Year​	Married​	Unmarried​	Annual Inc. Married​	Annual Inc. Unmarried​
2016​	313​	88​	​	​
2017​	327​	82​	4%​	-7%​
2018​	390​	91​	16%​	10%​
2019​	436​	97​	11%​	6%​
2020​	425​	126​	-3%​	23%​
2021​	494​	154​	14%​	18%​
2022​	624​	200​	21%​	23%​
2023​	697​	224​	10%​	11%​

But here is what is interesting and this is only a couple of years so it is preliminary....

Below are the sexes of the children by 40+ educated Black women who use IVF. If you look at the female/male ratios pre-COVID they fluctuate around 1 varying year to year as expected for married and unmarried Black women.

After COVID, however, unmarried Black women in this category show a marked and sustained increase in the ratio of girl to boy babies. Married Black women don't change and I checked White women: unmarried White women have no change in their sex ratios post-COVID for the older educated single mothers by choice using IVF. The only exception is the ratio jumps to 1.09 in White women in 2023 but this is only one year and 2023 data is preliminary so it is hard to say if that is a trend or a blip.

These numbers are small and there could be reporting fluctuations (and California doesn't report marital status for births any more). I would wait for a few more years of data to make a clear call. However, it seems to show the trend of older single Black women having kids by IVF and choosing girls as opposed to boys may be real. Granted this is a really small group and is not going to change Black population numbers but Black society has never shown any sex selection or preference in the past, like say, Asian societies. Is that going to change?

Year​	Female​	Male​	Female​	Male​	Married Female/Male Ratio​	Unmarried Female/Male Ratio​
2016​	152​	161​	39​	49​	0.94​	0.80​
2017​	174​	153​	41​	41​	1.14​	1.00​
2018​	199​	191​	50​	41​	1.04​	1.22​
2019​	226​	210​	50​	47​	1.08​	1.06​
2020​	214​	211​	61​	65​	1.01​	0.94​
2021​	243​	251​	83​	71​	0.97​	1.17​
2022​	313​	311​	114​	86​	1.01​	1.33​
2023​	357​	340​	127​	97​	1.05​	1.31​

 

[Wiseborn]

@Suge Shot Me @ThrobbingHood

You guys are not hallucinating....I pulled up birth stats for 40+ non-Hispanic Black women with at least a bachelors degree who used IVF and it seems there is a serious post-COVID surge in this phenomenon. But to be fair, the rate of increase for married and unmarried Black women is not too different though unmarried 40+ educated Black women increased at higher rates each year and jumped 154% from 2016 to 2013 compared to married women who jumped 123% over the same period. The rates were much higher post COVID as you see

Year​	Married​	Unmarried​	Annual Inc. Married​	Annual Inc. Unmarried​
2016​	313​	88​	​	​
2017​	327​	82​	4%​	-7%​
2018​	390​	91​	16%​	10%​
2019​	436​	97​	11%​	6%​
2020​	425​	126​	-3%​	23%​
2021​	494​	154​	14%​	18%​
2022​	624​	200​	21%​	23%​
2023​	697​	224​	10%​	11%​

But here is what is interesting and this is only a couple of years so it is preliminary....

Below are the sexes of the children by 40+ educated Black women who use IVF. If you look at the female/male ratios pre-COVID they fluctuate around 1 varying year to year as expected for married and unmarried Black women.

After COVID, however, unmarried Black women in this category show a marked and sustained increase in the ratio of girl to boy babies. Married Black women don't change and I checked White women: unmarried White women have no change in their sex ratios post-COVID for the older educated single mothers by choice using IVF. The only exception is the ratio jumps to 1.09 in White women in 2023 but this is only one year and 2023 data is preliminary so it is hard to say if that is a trend or a blip.

These numbers are small and there could be reporting fluctuations (and California doesn't report marital status for births any more). I would wait for a few more years of data to make a clear call. However, it seems to show the trend of older single Black women having kids by IVF and choosing girls as opposed to boys may be real. Granted this is a really small group and is not going to change Black population numbers but Black society has never shown any sex selection or preference in the past, like say, Asian societies. Is that going to change?

Year​	Female​	Male​	Female​	Male​	Married Female/Male Ratio​	Unmarried Female/Male Ratio​
2016​	152​	161​	39​	49​	0.94​	0.80​
2017​	174​	153​	41​	41​	1.14​	1.00​
2018​	199​	191​	50​	41​	1.04​	1.22​
2019​	226​	210​	50​	47​	1.08​	1.06​
2020​	214​	211​	61​	65​	1.01​	0.94​
2021​	243​	251​	83​	71​	0.97​	1.17​
2022​	313​	311​	114​	86​	1.01​	1.33​
2023​	357​	340​	127​	97​	1.05​	1.31​

Wow so this. Means that. They are having. Girls ( and thus possibly aborting make fetuses). There by increasing the female vs male ratio which will lead to more females who will.need IVF

You could get to a '. No Men beyond this point' situation

 

[DrBanneker]

Wow so this. Means that. They are having. Girls ( and thus possibly aborting make fetuses). There by increasing the female vs male ratio which will lead to more females who will.need IVF

You could get to a '. No Men beyond this point' situation

It's IVF so there is no sex selective abortion. Rather they choose girl embryos to implant from the group of viable embryos produced by the clinic

 

[BaldingSoHard]

Being a single parent by choice is a mental illness.

Yeah. I've got a 4 month old son. He's a great baby; happy, healthy... doesn't really cry or anything. Despite that, trying to do this alone would be a disaster.