3/6/2021 UFC 259: Polish Power vs StyleBender/ Nunes vs Jobber/ No Mercy vs Funkmaster

[S.W.A.G.]

There was a speed difference, but I think Izzy was too hesitant. I think Izzy didn’t commit enough to his strikes.

Agreed. Izzy could have gone in for the kill more. His game plan falters as he got tied and couldn’t keep up his take down defence. Those last two rounds look like he was exposed on the floor. I’m a boxer but to me it looks like once you get a guy down, even if he’s scrambling and not getting submitted you’re pretty much fukked the whole round. If Izzy can’t avoid that against bigger guys and then take their head off when he gets back up, he will always be limited. Jon Jones seems to have it all

 

[Primetime]

I see everyone mentioning the size difference but like Jan said in the post match interview I was more shocked that there was no real speed difference.

Jan said he expected Izzy to be quicker but less powerful but it was the opposite. You can see that Jan felt Izzy's power couple of times and was careful.

But he had no real speed advantage or slickness in his moves. Jan had no issue at all with Izzy's head kick attempts.

I wonder how much of that had to do with Izzy's weight management (or lack thereof). Remaining at 200 lbs for this fight versus his norm of cutting to 185lbs before re-hydrating to whatever.

Izzy's previous fights have shown that he's deceptively strong so i think Jan would've been surprised by that regardless, but i think the lack of speed also showed in how Jan was able to tag Izzy fairly well. Jabs to the face, jabs to the body. Nothing significant in damage per se but it did feel like he was there to be hit.

 

[AyBrehHam Linkin]

Brehs acting like taking a direct fukking knee to the head with someone's hands wrapped around your neck is something you supposed to shake off

none of these nikkas know shyt about combat sports, much less actually practice it

 

[Master Teacher]

I think the problem is MMA is still new in sense most fighters come from one disciple: boxing, wrestling, BJJ etc and the pick up the rest. When you get to elite levels it’s kinda like well who has the best of all of these. You can’t really be exposed to one part. That being said few MMA fighters are elite at all those disciples: striking, wrestling and grappling. Only really Jon Jones?

Boxing has a different set of expertise, but the quality of generalists is higher. You get all elite fighters who have power, can move, and defence as basics, then on top of that you have people who are either elite at all of them are excel tremendously.

Once MMA fighters of the new gen, train in MMA to be generalists, then have specialism on top of that, then it’ll be very impressive. Now, you mostly see people exposed when a specialist comes in. Or a better all rounder. The new gen of fighters are gonna be a problem as they’ll be taught MMA from ground up not just one discipline.

Boxing everyone has to know the basics of all facets, then you get the sauce on top. It’s a higher level of skill for that in my opinion.

MMA not that new anymore, you had that hype job Ronda Rousey manages been training for MMA since he was a kid and he couldn't beat a journey man at 22, you're 20's are your athletic prime

MMA is the only sport where guys in their late 30's are the best guys, Jones is the only exception, he was a young guy but he started training MMA watching youtube videos with only two years of experience basically became the champion and hasn't lost since

The sport is regressing, Anderson Silva was a phenom, hasn't been another silva who could bring that type of excitement

I think the Mcgregor hype destroyed MMA and changed the nature of the sport, but also the UFC has failed to develop talent or attract REAL young athletes to the sport because the compensation isn't worth it for a young athlete in his prime to go into MMA and not some other sport

I'm Terrance Crawford is a high level wrestler, his son is one of the best wrestlers in the country right now, and he obviously chose boxing even though his career was in limbo for the majority time he's been boxing until he signed with top rank, it was still a better option than going into MMA, I mean he's rich, how many MMA fighters can say they are rich you can count them on their hands, and Crawford has never done big ppv numbers ever

 

[Gunz&Butta]

I wasn’t the one that initiated the “BS monster talk” check the discussion chain


Also he beat Romero in 2020 who was coming off a 2 fight losing streak and haven’t had a win since 2018

Silva who clearly was out his prime and was 1-4-1 before his fight (even loss his final 2)

Costa and maybe Whitaker were the only 2 worthy that you mentioned

Romero loss against Costa and second loss against Whitaker were controversial, he manhandled Whittaker in that fight.
I will give you the Silva one though even though Izzy had only been 1 year in the UFC when that fight happened.

 

[mattlanta]

I highly doubt Jones wipes Jan out that easily. It seems he's constantly underestimated. Jones would probably win a decision that looks more or less like Izzy's performance tonight minus any meaningful grappling exchanges. I agree Izzy definitely has to gain weight to have a meaningful impact on this division, he was completely shut down in the grappling and was getting worked in the 5th.

Adding weight would have done nothing for Izzy in last night's fight. He's simply not as gifted on the ground as he is on his feet. He's supposedly a purple belt (recently received it from Galvao a few months ago), but the way he rolled last night was still similar to a blue belt. You cannot get away with that level of grappling in this division where most of the top fighters are black belts (Blachowicz, Teixeira, Santos, Rakic, etc.) and have a background in wrestling.

 

[mattlanta]

I thought Adesenya won the first 3 and no way are the 4th and 5th rounds 10-8s.

seems like the ufc dont want another double champ and i dont blame them it holds up divisions.

Jan Blachowicz won the second round, and the fourth round was arguably a 10-8 with the amount of time and level of control Jan had over Adesanya on the ground. Absolutely man handled Adesanya on the ground all fight. Completely neutralized him.

 

[Gunz&Butta]

Man I'm legit sad Izzy lost.

You sad that a welterweight (yes I said it) lost to a light heavyweight by decision?

Did you see what Jan did to Corey Anderson and Reyes?

 

[Gunz&Butta]

Izzy was saved by the bell in the 4th and 5th. He was gonna get tko.

Stop it breh, you want the rounds to go on forever? Jan had 25 minutes to KO Izzy and couldn't do it.

 

[xXMASHERXx]

Jones was not as big as Jan was in this fight stop and prime jones was struggling against his and fighting old lhws
He also struggled against gus the first time

You mention Gus and then don't mention how he stopped in their second fight. So Jones was fighting old LHWs but these were the same LHWs who were supposed to be the best in the division until Jones beat them. Other than the Reyes fight, Jones hasn't come close to losing a fight in 12 years and you're trying to convince us that a guy who couldn't stop a legit MW is going to give prime Jones trouble

 

[Max.]

 

[Lurk Angle]

You mention Gus and then don't mention how he stopped in their second fight. So Jones was fighting old LHWs but these were the same LHWs who were supposed to be the best in the division until Jones beat them. Other than the Reyes fight, Jones hasn't come close to losing a fight in 12 years and you're trying to convince us that a guy who couldn't stop a legit MW is going to give prime Jones trouble

He stopped gus cause rumble johnson took that man's soul gus looked out of it before they touched gloves

And all those old lhws were all washed

Like I said jones would beat anybody
But those heavy fighters can give him
Trouble

 

[Sghost597]

He wasn't in danger of a finish in round 4, but round 5 was ending badly good point.

Stop it breh, you want the rounds to go on forever? Jan had 25 minutes to KO Izzy and couldn't do it.

What are you talking about... It was pretty clear Izzy was never gonna get out. That's what saved by the bell means..

 

[The axe murderer]

Tj ended holdsworth career with an illegal shot. He should stop talking

 

[jilla82]

She is a young women in her prime

Holly Holm was old when went to MMA and was never great at boxing

Lets see when happens

until then shut the fukk up

bro why are you so angry about this?

Do you know her or something?