2Pac felt Biggie stole his style on Ready to Die & Ad-lib "Baby Baby"

[I love Latina women]

That's all good.

People who had MUCH less reason to believe Biggie was a biter made it known how they felt about it.

Biggie's album cover is similar to Nas' album cover, but Nas ain't the first one in music to have an album cover like that.

"No ideas original" - Nas

From topics to album covers, nothing is 100% original. Every artist is influenced by other artist(s)

But Biggie didn't steal anything from Pac. Influenced by Pac? Yes. But steal from Pac? No.

 

[SunZoo]

Biggie's album cover is similar to Nas' album cover, but Nas ain't the first one in music to have an album cover like that.

"No ideas original" - Nas

From topics to album covers, nothing is 100% original. Every artist is influenced by other artist(s)

But Biggie didn't steal anything from Pac. Influenced by Pac? Yes. But steal from Pac? No.

That's nikkas that had no personal or professional ties to Big complaining about how he was using their 'influence'.

Difference between that and the situation with Pac is, Biggie was in his 'camp', true or false?

When you set up camp somewhere, you're setting safe boundaries for the group you're working/eating/living with. Tryin to compare inluence coming from an outside source to a nikka IN YOUR CAMP, privy to the things you're working on making similar songs is an important thing to point up.

Where do YOU draw the line between influence and stealing in that situation?

 

[Cladyclad]

That's obvious but it seems like we having a sementacial argument or something. The hook, cadence and general theme of the album it's on sounds like some shyt Pac already had in the can. It's not to say that Pac had exclusive rights to make such a song, but put it into proper context.



Like I said, context.

Being influenced and biting are two different things. Biggie's role in Pac's circle could not be applied to Pac/Scarface. He wasn't up under him, opening for him, a part of his group, having access to his unreleased material ect.

Sunzoo I’m disappointed in u. Normally u well spoken with your arguments. U ain’t say shyt breh with your explanation.

Ready to die was life of a corner boy. That’s not 2pac lane

shyt I might as well say Big bit Jay RD with LAD. Big wasn’t talking that boss shyt money shyt til after RD dropped.

but people would say I’m bugging get off jay nuts

 

[I love Latina women]

That's nikkas that had no personal or professional ties to Big complaining about how he was using their 'influence'.

Difference between that and the situation with Pac is, Biggie was in his 'camp', true or false?

When you set up camp somewhere, you're setting safe boundaries for the group you're working/eating/living with. Tryin to compare inluence coming from an outside source to a nikka IN YOUR CAMP, privy to the things you're working on making similar songs is an important thing to point up.

Where do YOU draw the line between influence and stealing in that situation?

Biggie was cool with Pac, they were friends, yes.

Like I said in my very first post in this thread

Biggie and Pac were friends and as friends you share interests and styles so it's natural that some of you and your friends' styles are similar or certain characteristics and styles you share.

And just like Biggie said, Pac schooled him on a lot and he took advice from Pac when Pac told him how to record his album; Pac told him how he could rap as hard as he wanted to on his album but to have some songs for the radio and the ladies. Biggie said he took that into consideration by making "Big Poppa", "One More Chance" and "Juicy".

But Biggie wasn't stealing.

Again, both Biggie and Pac were rhyming about a wide range of topics other rappers had rapped about before. Just with their own styles that influenced by other artists

"No ideas original" - Nas

 

[Bigsuk]

I don't see the issue, because Big admitted he schooled him. Pac had more experience and advised him. If you look at the content and the way of rapping, they were completely different. I do see the Chronic all over the album. And what people fail to mention is Easy Mo Bee producing for both.

Yeah I did say if u look at my posts that they rapped totally different n there was no style biting etc there …..

 

[spliz]

Biggie's album cover is similar to Nas' album cover, but Nas ain't the first one in music to have an album cover like that.

"No ideas original" - Nas

From topics to album covers, nothing is 100% original. Every artist is influenced by other artist(s)

But Biggie didn't steal anything from Pac. Influenced by Pac? Yes. But steal from Pac? No.

Same year my guy? Never before done in hip hop as well. That was considered biting back then. As far as Pac I will say he was influenced cause they was boys and in the same group. That’s normal shyt. Issue Pac had is that the props didn’t match the influence. I’m sick of the disingenuous arguments on this site at this point.

 

[Fortunate Lee]

To some of the brehs who talk that Scarface shyt…Pac NEVER denied he looked up to him; that's the difference.

and I remember one of Face interviews where he was crying about Pac, they had a special bond and they made one of the goat songs with Smile.

 

[I love Latina women]

Same year my guy? Never before done in hip hop as well. That was considered biting back then. As far as Pac I will say he was influenced cause they was boys and in the same group. That’s normal shyt. Issue Pac had is that the props didn’t match the influence. I’m sick of the disingenuous arguments on this site at this point.

It was considered biting back then, yes. Same year, yes.

But again, "nothing is original"

And again, Biggie admitted Pac schooled him to a lot and that he learned a lot from. He said, he took Pac's advice on how to record his album.

 

[spliz]

It was considered biting back then, yes. Same year, yes.

But again, "nothing is original"

And again, Biggie admitted Pac schooled him to a lot and that he learned a lot from. He said, he took Pac's advice on how to record his album.

It’s not about anything being original. U can’t just write any ol biting off as that. It was too close in proximity to be a coincidence and that’s why Ghost n them called it out. As far as the Pac shyt. Props couldn’t have matched that much. People in this thread still straight up denying the influence came straight from Pac.

 

[Cladyclad]

Same year my guy? Never before done in hip hop as well. That was considered biting back then. As far as Pac I will say he was influenced cause they was boys and in the same group. That’s normal shyt. Issue Pac had is that the props didn’t match the influence. I’m sick of the disingenuous arguments on this site at this point.

What was biggie to do? Should big made a dedication song?

This is a whole point nobody talks about why would Big Jack a rappers music that ain’t selling like that? 2pac was barely a gold artist in 93 & 94. Puff was chasing the Chronic & Doggystyle not no damn Strictly & 2pacaplyse. Them shyts ain’t sell like that

 

[I love Latina women]

It’s not about anything being original. U can’t just write any ol biting off as that. It was too close in proximity to be a coincidence and that’s why Ghost n them called it out. As far as the Pac shyt. Props couldn’t have matched that much. People in this thread still straight up denying the influence came straight from Pac.

"Nothing is original" - Nas

The album cover was similar to Nas' album cover, yes.

Again, Biggie said on the radio in his interview with Sway, that Pac schooled him to a lot when it came to the music game. He never said Pac didn't.

Of course Biggie was influenced by Pac, they were friends. And Biggie was influenced by other artists and just like Pac was influenced by other artists

Again, influence is universal. Every artist is influenced by other artist(s)

 

[spliz]

"Nothing is original" - Nas

The album cover was similar to Nas' album cover, yes.

Again, Biggie said on the radio in his interview with Sway, that Pac schooled him to a lot when it came to the music game. He never said Pac didn't.

Of course Biggie was influenced by Pac, they were friends. And Biggie was influenced by other artists and just like Pac was influenced by other artists

Again, influence is universal. Every artist is influenced by other artist(s)

Son please stop quoting Nas over and over again. I get it. He said it. But u are completely ignoring the point I’m making just to make urs.

 

[I love Latina women]

Son please stop quoting Nas over and over again. I get it. He said it. But u are completely ignoring the point I’m making just to make urs.

What am I ignoring?

 

[spliz]

What was biggie to do? Should big made a dedication song?

This is a whole point nobody talks about why would Big Jack a rappers music that ain’t selling like that? 2pac was barely a gold artist in 93 & 94. Puffy like many others said was chasing the Chronic & Doggystyle not no damn Strictly & 2pacaplyse

Biggie was literally with Pac everyday at one point. Pac was bringing him on stage having him perform. He even asked Pac to manage him at one point. Biggie was a part of Thug Life. I don’t give a fukk what Snoop n Dre were doing. Pac was the most famous person in HIS circle. Movie star. Gold selling artist. Y’all nikkas annoying as fukk.

 

[spliz]

What am I ignoring?

I will explain the significance of the Biggie and Nas shyt. Then u turn around and say the same shyt over and over. “No idea’s original”. Then u completely ignored why I said that frame of thought wasn’t looked at that way when it came to that situation. U turn around and say the SAME quote again fam. Come on. Lol.