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[Neo. The Only. The One.]

The question more so was his back ground and why he did not follow Farrakhan. He isnt the best speaker so i have a hard time watching some of his videos

 

[Apollo Creed]

I did research and hear he never earned his Muhammad (he goes by Marvin Muhammad), I found another cat named Royall Allah or something who started something called the United Nation of Islam, and he seems like a scumbag lol

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

I did research and hear he never earned his Muhammad (he goes by Marvin Muhammad), I found another cat named Royall Allah or something who started something called the United Nation of Islam, and he seems like a scumbag lol

what's your source?

 

[Apollo Creed]

what's your source?

google, could be true, could be false, idc though, like I said, I can barely listen to the guy, and I have not seem anything of him being a major figure/student of Elijah to give himself the title he did,and the the flag he created for his org looks comical to me. More power to him if he is doing work though, thats the most important thing.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

@karim



why you shaking your head, breh?

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

google, could be true, could be false, idc though, like I said, I can barely listen to the guy, and I have not seem anything of him being a major figure/student of Elijah to give himself the title he did,and the the flag he created for his org looks comical to me. More power to him if he is doing work though, thats the most important thing.

As far as I know, all of that's false.

From what I've seen, I gotta agree with you: He's the only one doing work. I've checked out all the other ppl that you mentioned, and all they do is sit up and talk.

To me, it's this simple:

If you say that you have all this wisdom, then your works should be a reflection of the wisdom that you have.

I've seen ppl out here that had the support of the people. A breh earlier asked me why i don't support Farrakhan, and it's really simple.

From what I've seen, he was at his prime in the 90's, had the suppport of the ppl.

If he had a plan for black people to follow that would have resulted in serious progress for us, he would have put it forth then.

But the fact of the matter is, he had no plan. So for him to get the attention of black ppl en masse, and then say "look at me" and then we all looked at him, and nothing came out of that.

You talk about terrible speakers, and I have to disagree with you on that.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad wasn't an ENTERTAINING speaker and from what I've seen, neither is Son of Man.

But when it came down to making progress, Elijah Muhammad made progress; and from what I'm seeing, so is the Son of Man.

But you're welcome to your opinion, breh, and I welcome it.

But like someone else said in this thread when talking about Malcolm.... he was a spokesperson, not a leader. He was able to get the attention of the ppl, and that's why the Honorable Elijah Muhammad gave him that position.

But when it all came down to it, we all saw that the progress that Malcolm was making was because of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

So I'm at the point now, breh, where I don't care about how much of a talented and entertaining speaker you are.

Show me your plan and show me the work, and let's get busy. It's that simple.

 

[Apollo Creed]

As far as I know, all of that's false.

From what I've seen, I gotta agree with you: He's the only one doing work. I've checked out all the other ppl that you mentioned, and all they do is sit up and talk.

To me, it's this simple:

If you say that you have all this wisdom, then your works should be a reflection of the wisdom that you have.

I've seen ppl out here that had the support of the people. A breh earlier asked me why i don't support Farrakhan, and it's really simple.

From what I've seen, he was at his prime in the 90's, had the suppport of the ppl.

If he had a plan for black people to follow that would have resulted in serious progress for us, he would have put it forth then.

But the fact of the matter is, he had no plan. So for him to get the attention of black ppl en masse, and then say "look at me" and then we all looked at him, and nothing came out of that.

You talk about terrible speakers, and I have to disagree with you on that.

The Honorable Elijah Muhammad wasn't an ENTERTAINING speaker and from what I've seen, neither is Son of Man.

But when it came down to making progress, Elijah Muhammad made progress; and from what I'm seeing, so is the Son of Man.

But you're welcome to your opinion, breh, and I welcome it.

But like someone else said in this thread when talking about Malcolm.... he was a spokesperson, not a leader. He was able to get the attention of the ppl, and that's why the Honorable Elijah Muhammad gave him that position.

But when it all came down to it, we all saw that the progress that Malcolm was making was because of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad.

So I'm at the point now, breh, where I don't care about how much of a talented and entertaining speaker you are.

Show me your plan and show me the work, and let's get busy. It's that simple.

in the mid 80s-90s Farrakhan was painted as an Anti Semite heavy, and the black middle class thought everything was gravy due to the Economy of the Clinton Era, when stuff got real under Bush Farrakhan wasn't getting invites to be on tv and such anymore, either way, Elijah gave black folks the plan of action in the 40s and folks still haven't made moves. We been talking Group Economics for over 100 yrs now. It's only so many times someone can keep telling people the same thing. Most people who bash Farrakhan do it because they think he had Malcolm killed, when Louis has spit nothing but real for the past 30+ years. Being that I`m not in the NOI, I don't know whats going to happen once he passes.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

in the mid 80s-90s Farrakhan was painted as an Anti Semite heavy, and the black middle class thought everything was gravy due to the Economy of the Clinton Era, when stuff got real under Bush Farrakhan wasn't getting invites to be on tv and such anymore, either way, Elijah gave black folks the plan of action in the 40s and folks still haven't made moves. We been talking Group Economics for over 100 yrs now. It's only so many times someone can keep telling people the same thing. Most people who bash Farrakhan do it because they think he had Malcolm killed, when Louis has spit nothing but real for the past 30+ years. Being that I`m not in the NOI, I don't know whats going to happen once he passes.

Farrakhan wasn't responsible for having Malcolm killed. But it was very foolish of him to go on national TV and basically, "own up" to something that he wasn't even responsible for.

We all know that there were government agents in the Nation, and that they were the ones who set Malcolm up.

Farrakhan knows that too.... so it's beyond me why he would even go on TV and take responsibility for that crazy stuff.


Even with the "anti-semitism" stuff. He let himself get pigeonholed into that role. Every time a camera was put in front of him, he started going off on the Jews.

and I mean, I'm not saying the Jews are some great ppl.... but why go after them in exclusion to the rest of white america? The Honorable Elijah Muhammad never did that.

And by him doing that, the media was able to make him look like a crazy man, that was trying to cause harm to the "already victimized Jews", whether it was true or not.

And like I said, he let them pigeonhole him into that stuff.



But that proves the point I was making. When he was a spokesperson for the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, he was good.

As a leader........................................



Let's be real here. You said it yourself. The Honorable Elijah Muhammad laid the blueprint.

Well then, with all the millions of dollars that have gone through Farrakhan's hands over the years, why doesn't he have more to show?

They should be booming all over the country.............................. but they're not.

He doesn't have a plan. It's that simple.

 

[KingsOfKings]

Royall that you speak of is based out of Kansas and he is deceased however from what i know that brother was doing alot in KC. Dont know about Marvin

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

Royall that you speak of is based out of Kansas and he is deceased however from what i know that brother was doing alot in KC. Dont know about Marvin

Royall isn't deceased. He was doing a lot of stuff in KC, but a lot of the stuff they had going was crooked. I had encounters with them in the past, and most of them were doing suspect stuff

suspect = they weren't on the up and up

 

[Patriarch]

I don't entirely agree with that assessment of what happened. I mean there's more to it. His relationship with Elijah and the NOI reminds me of young David and King Saul. 1 Samuel 18: 6-8 sums it up aptly, "When David and the others would return from striking down the Philistines, the women would come out from all the cities of Israel with song and dances to meet King Saul with tambourines, wirh rejoicing, and with lutes. The women who were celebrating would sing: "Saul has struck down his thousands. And David his tens of thousands." Saul became very angry, and this song displeased him, for he said : They have credited David with tens of thousands, but to me they have credited thousands. The only thing left to give him is the kingship! From that day on, Saul was always looking at David suspiciously."


Malcolm became bigger than Elijah and he resented it. When the NOI censured him and he decided to break away and possibly take Muhammad Ali with him, they had to shut him down. So they created an atmosphere of tension that ultimately lead to his death. Ali even turned on him. To be fair, Malcolm contributed to his own death by not ceasing to expose what a womanizing, hypocritical, deadbeat father Elijah was. Not to mention Malcolm getting connections in the Arab and African world, in other words money for funding an organization that could potentially marginalize an already fringe movement that was the NOI at the time, made Elijah and his supporters very scared. Oh yeah, and he was an apostate who needed to be dealt with in the same manner as those whom were executed in the Hanafi murders.

There's more to it, but breh it was a lot deeper than him having a change of heart.

Lol the NOI was not a "fringe movement" at the time. Before Malcolm signed his own death certificate , the number of people following the Nation was increasing at a rapid pace.I would love to see any sort of evidence of Elijah being "jealous" of Malcolm's popularity. Malcolm being popular meant more exposure for the movement and a heightened consciousness for black America.Why else would he have made him the spokesperson? Elijah created this individual and presented him to the world. People cling to this notion of Elijah being a jealous old man because of Spike Lee's movie and not anything rooted in reality. Malcolm was suspended for disobeying direct orders. The last thing Elijah wanted to do was be on the front page of the newspaper for disparaging one of the most beloved presidents in U.S. history. How did those inflammatory statements help the movement?

Muhammad Ali did not turn on anyone. Ali stayed true to his religion and his beliefs. Malcolm X was not Ali's God and he owed him nothing. Malcolm was a reformed drug addict , thief , womanizing ,prostitute steering hustler. Why are his transgressions forgivable and Elijah's alleged improprieties intractable? Elijah devoted his life to pulling women off the streets and teaching them knowledge of self! I implore you to re-evaluate your stance. If you read X's autobiography you'll find some truth. X resented , and never got over Elijah dismissing his brother from the NOI for sexual transgressions-- he said this himself. I would never speak about a man that saved my life in the manner that Malcolm did-- it was disgusting.

dikk Gregory said in the film "Soulfood Junkies," his mother was an old stubborn Christian woman , who would never be anything but a Christian , but she modified her diet based on the teachings of the Honorable Elijah Muhammad. Malcolm prefaced everything he said with "The honorable Elijah Muhammad teaches us" Let us not forget the power of this man and his movement.

ICARUS is the son of the master craftsman Daedalus, the creator of the Labyrinth. Often depicted in art, Icarus and his father attempt to escape from Crete by means of wings that his father constructed from feathers and wax. Icarus' father warns him first of complacency and then of hubris, asking that he fly neither too low nor too high, because the sea's dampness would clog his wings or the sun's heat would melt them. Icarus ignored his father's instructions not to fly too close to the sun, whereupon the wax in his wings melted and he fell into the sea

 

[KingsOfKings]

Royall isn't deceased. He was doing a lot of stuff in KC, but a lot of the stuff they had going was crooked. I had encounters with them in the past, and most of them were doing suspect stuff

suspect = they weren't on the up and up

you sure breh because ive heard otherwise for a relative in KC. the site that brother has is defunct and seems youtube videos seem rather dated. I knew he had or was trying to develop a school in KC years ago. dont know if he did though

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

you sure breh because ive heard otherwise for a relative in KC

yes sir, I'm certain. Speaking from personal experience with them. They weren't righteous brothers. They were basically doing their own thing, trying to shield it behind the name of Elijah Muhammad.

 

[Neo. The Only. The One.]

 

[KingsOfKings]

yes sir, I'm certain. Speaking from personal experience with them. They weren't righteous brothers. They were basically doing their own thing, trying to shield it behind the name of Elijah Muhammad.

certain things he had like as far as the group economics down i could tip my hat off too but some of the stuff imo was just dude and his ego.