21 Year Old Kobe >>>>>> Prime LeBron

[J Money]

Why is this ninja constantly typing in capital letters?

And caping so damn hars for Kobe? That aint normal for a man to do breh

 

[SwagKingKong]

06, 07, 08 and 11 aren't better.

I said that 06 and 11 are debatable, which they clearly are by any objective measure.

I also think that 07 and 08 are better by LeBron.. It's kinda close, but LeBron just had the bigger impact. I'm struggling to see what Kobe did better in 08 compared to LeBron in 07 and 08. Raw numbers, advanced stats.. They all favor LeBron.

 

[ManBearPig]

Kobe was never as good as 2012 LeBron

Fact

 

[ManBearPig]

06, 07, 08 and 11 aren't better.

Kobe wasn't that good in 2011 and he was even worse in the post season.

LeBron was clearly better that year and wade was too

 

[ManBearPig]

I said that 06 and 11 are debatable, which they clearly are by any objective measure.

I also think that 07 and 08 are better by LeBron.. It's kinda close, but LeBron just had the bigger impact. I'm struggling to see what Kobe did better in 08 compared to LeBron in 07 and 08. Raw numbers, advanced stats.. They all favor LeBron.

Kobe's reign was from 06-08.

I hate Kobe but he was better than LeBron throughout those years. LeBron still had holes in his game back then.

 

[GreatestLaker]

I said that 06 and 11 are debatable, which they clearly are by any objective measure.

I also think that 07 and 08 are better by LeBron.. It's kinda close, but LeBron just had the bigger impact. I'm struggling to see what Kobe did better in 08 compared to LeBron in 07 and 08. Raw numbers, advanced stats.. They all favor LeBron.

Go back to 06-08 everyone had Kobe ranked higher than Lebron. The Coaches, players, GMs, analysts and the fans all had Kobe as the better player.

Even Lebron himself said Kobe was better

Kobe wasn't that good in 2011 and he was even worse in the post season.

LeBron was clearly better that year and wade was too

Where did I say 2011 Kobe was better than 2011 Lebron?

 

[ManBearPig]

Go back to 06-08 everyone had Kobe ranked higher than Lebron. The Coaches, players, GMs, analysts and the fans all had Kobe as the better player.

Even Lebron himself said Kobe was better


Where did I say 2011 Kobe was better than 2011 Lebron?

Ok I see

 

[MooseMouthMthafuga]

I'd take a prime Kobe over Bron and wouldn't lose any sleep about it.

 

[SwagKingKong]

Go back to 06-08 everyone had Kobe ranked higher than Lebron. The Coaches, players, GMs, analysts and the fans all had Kobe as the better player.

Even Lebron himself said Kobe was better

I really don't care if LeBron himself said that Kobe was better, he was 22-24 at the time. I'm not surprised he gave that answer. Just like Curry would probably say that LeBron is a better player than him at this point, when Curry clearly was the better player this season.

And no, everyone did not have Kobe ranked higher between 06-08. For example, in 2006, LeBron finished 2nd in MVP voting. Kobe? He came in 4th. In 2007 the roles were reversed, Kobe finished 2nd and LeBron finished 5th. I don't put any stock into MVP voting myself, but to say that EVERYONE had Kobe ranked higher is a flat out lie.

I don't see why I wouldn't go with LeBron during those years anyway. This is peak Kobe:

28.3 ppg (57.6 TS %), 5.4 apg, 6.3 rpg,1.8 spg, 0.5 bpg, 3.1 topg in 38.9 mpg. 115 ORtg, 105 DRtg.

Advanced stats:

24.2 PER, .208 ws/48 mins. 5.4 BPM, 6.0 VORP. 6.1 RAPM.

Don't get me wrong, that's a fantastic season and a very well rounded year. he was a slight negative defensively (comes out negative defensively per RAPM) and had major impact offensively. But compare this to LeBrons 07 and 08 seasons..

07 Lebron

27.3 ppg (55.2 TS %), 6.7 rpg, 6.0 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg, 3.2 topg in 40.9 mpg. 112 ORtg, 100 DRtg.

Advanced stats:

24.5 PER, .206 ws/48 mins, 7,4 BPM, 7.6 VORP, 7.3 RAPM.

I don't know, like I said it's close. But all the stats do favor LeBron, and his 2008 was even stronger. I'm leaning 08 Kobe over 06 LeBron though, now that I've looked through the numbers.. But like I said, that was one of the debatable years. Just like I'm leaning 2011 LeBron over 08 Kobe.. But my main argument was those other years anyway.

I mean, if you want to argue that 08 Kobe is better than 06-08 LeBron, that's fine. It's not a ridiculous statement. But going through the numbers, nothing really favors Kobe between 07 and 08.. LeBron was just flat out more impactful, based on his raw numbers, advanced numbers, on / off numbers. Literally everything favors LeBron.. Not by a huge margin, but still favors him. It's really nothing wrong with this, LeBron will probably go down as the 2nd best player to EVER play.. It's not surprising that he has multiple seasons better than peak Kobe, since peak Kobe isn't even a top 10 peak of all-time.

 

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[GreatestLaker]

I really don't care if LeBron himself said that Kobe was better, he was 22-24 at the time. I'm not surprised he gave that answer. Just like Curry would probably say that LeBron is a better player than him at this point, when Curry clearly was the better player this season.

And no, everyone did not have Kobe ranked higher between 06-08. For example, in 2006, LeBron finished 2nd in MVP voting. Kobe? He came in 4th. In 2007 the roles were reversed, Kobe finished 2nd and LeBron finished 5th. I don't put any stock into MVP voting myself, but to say that EVERYONE had Kobe ranked higher is a flat out lie.

I don't see why I wouldn't go with LeBron during those years anyway. This is peak Kobe:

28.3 ppg (57.6 TS %), 5.4 apg, 6.3 rpg,1.8 spg, 0.5 bpg, 3.1 topg in 38.9 mpg. 115 ORtg, 105 DRtg.

Advanced stats:

24.2 PER, .208 ws/48 mins. 5.4 BPM, 6.0 VORP. 6.1 RAPM.

Don't get me wrong, that's a fantastic season and a very well rounded year. he was a slight negative defensively (comes out negative defensively per RAPM) and had major impact offensively. But compare this to LeBrons 07 and 08 seasons..

07 Lebron

27.3 ppg (55.2 TS %), 6.7 rpg, 6.0 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg, 3.2 topg in 40.9 mpg. 112 ORtg, 100 DRtg.

Advanced stats:

24.5 PER, .206 ws/48 mins, 7,4 BPM, 7.6 VORP, 7.3 RAPM.

I don't know, like I said it's close. But all the stats do favor LeBron, and his 2008 was even stronger. I'm leaning 08 Kobe over 06 LeBron though, now that I've looked through the numbers.. But like I said, that was one of the debatable years. Just like I'm leaning 2011 LeBron over 08 Kobe.. But my main argument was those other years anyway.

I mean, if you want to argue that 08 Kobe is better than 06-08 LeBron, that's fine. It's not a ridiculous statement. But going through the numbers, nothing really favors Kobe between 07 and 08.. LeBron was just flat out more impactful, based on his raw numbers, advanced numbers, on / off numbers. Literally everything favors LeBron.. Not by a huge margin, but still favors him. It's really nothing wrong with this, LeBron will probably go down as the 2nd best player to EVER play.. It's not surprising that he has multiple seasons better than peak Kobe, since peak Kobe isn't even a top 10 peak of all-time.

This dumbass is bringing up MVP votes.

Did people have Nash over Kobe and Lebron when he won back to back MVPs? Just stop.

I know you live in Europe. So you don't what the American media was like BUT Kobe was widely regarded as the best player on the planet from 06 - 08. That's the fukking truth.

 

[gho3st]

I really don't care if LeBron himself said that Kobe was better, he was 22-24 at the time. I'm not surprised he gave that answer. Just like Curry would probably say that LeBron is a better player than him at this point, when Curry clearly was the better player this season.

And no, everyone did not have Kobe ranked higher between 06-08. For example, in 2006, LeBron finished 2nd in MVP voting. Kobe? He came in 4th. In 2007 the roles were reversed, Kobe finished 2nd and LeBron finished 5th. I don't put any stock into MVP voting myself, but to say that EVERYONE had Kobe ranked higher is a flat out lie.

I don't see why I wouldn't go with LeBron during those years anyway. This is peak Kobe:

28.3 ppg (57.6 TS %), 5.4 apg, 6.3 rpg,1.8 spg, 0.5 bpg, 3.1 topg in 38.9 mpg. 115 ORtg, 105 DRtg.

Advanced stats:

24.2 PER, .208 ws/48 mins. 5.4 BPM, 6.0 VORP. 6.1 RAPM.

Don't get me wrong, that's a fantastic season and a very well rounded year. he was a slight negative defensively (comes out negative defensively per RAPM) and had major impact offensively. But compare this to LeBrons 07 and 08 seasons..

07 Lebron

27.3 ppg (55.2 TS %), 6.7 rpg, 6.0 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg, 3.2 topg in 40.9 mpg. 112 ORtg, 100 DRtg.

Advanced stats:

24.5 PER, .206 ws/48 mins, 7,4 BPM, 7.6 VORP, 7.3 RAPM.

I don't know, like I said it's close. But all the stats do favor LeBron, and his 2008 was even stronger. I'm leaning 08 Kobe over 06 LeBron though, now that I've looked through the numbers.. But like I said, that was one of the debatable years. Just like I'm leaning 2011 LeBron over 08 Kobe.. But my main argument was those other years anyway.

I mean, if you want to argue that 08 Kobe is better than 06-08 LeBron, that's fine. It's not a ridiculous statement. But going through the numbers, nothing really favors Kobe between 07 and 08.. LeBron was just flat out more impactful, based on his raw numbers, advanced numbers, on / off numbers. Literally everything favors LeBron.. Not by a huge margin, but still favors him. It's really nothing wrong with this, LeBron will probably go down as the 2nd best player to EVER play.. It's not surprising that he has multiple seasons better than peak Kobe, since peak Kobe isn't even a top 10 peak of all-time.

according to you, who's the best player in the NBA right now?

 

[Sccit]

On 35% shooting

THE FUC OUTA HERE, IN 19 YEARS, KOBE NEVER SHOT UNDER 40% UNTIL THIS INJURY RIDDLED SEASON

 

[SwagKingKong]

This dumbass is bringing up MVP votes.

Did people have Nash over Kobe and Lebron when he won back to back MVPs? Just stop.

I know you live in Europe. So you don't what the American media was like BUT Kobe was widely regarded as the best player on the planet from 06 - 08. That's the fukking truth.

You're the dumbass, you were the one who said that no one had LeBron over Kobe, and I showed you that's clearly wrong based on MVP voting. And btw, MVP voting is done by the media. So spare me the anecdotal bullshyt, plenty of people had LeBron over Kobe. And me living in europe doesn't matter since internet exist, but whatever. Also, you're backtracking now saying that he was "widely regarded", compared to "everyone had Kobe higher".

Anyway, I really don't care whether Kobe was widely regarded the best or not. That doesn't influence my analysis of the two. It's all narrative driven, Kobe has been widely regarded the best for plenty of years but he hasn't even been the best player in the league at a point of his career!

 

[Sccit]

I really don't care if LeBron himself said that Kobe was better, he was 22-24 at the time. I'm not surprised he gave that answer. Just like Curry would probably say that LeBron is a better player than him at this point, when Curry clearly was the better player this season.

And no, everyone did not have Kobe ranked higher between 06-08. For example, in 2006, LeBron finished 2nd in MVP voting. Kobe? He came in 4th. In 2007 the roles were reversed, Kobe finished 2nd and LeBron finished 5th. I don't put any stock into MVP voting myself, but to say that EVERYONE had Kobe ranked higher is a flat out lie.

I don't see why I wouldn't go with LeBron during those years anyway. This is peak Kobe:

28.3 ppg (57.6 TS %), 5.4 apg, 6.3 rpg,1.8 spg, 0.5 bpg, 3.1 topg in 38.9 mpg. 115 ORtg, 105 DRtg.

Advanced stats:

24.2 PER, .208 ws/48 mins. 5.4 BPM, 6.0 VORP. 6.1 RAPM.

Don't get me wrong, that's a fantastic season and a very well rounded year. he was a slight negative defensively (comes out negative defensively per RAPM) and had major impact offensively. But compare this to LeBrons 07 and 08 seasons..

07 Lebron

27.3 ppg (55.2 TS %), 6.7 rpg, 6.0 apg, 1.6 spg, 0.7 bpg, 3.2 topg in 40.9 mpg. 112 ORtg, 100 DRtg.

Advanced stats:

24.5 PER, .206 ws/48 mins, 7,4 BPM, 7.6 VORP, 7.3 RAPM.

I don't know, like I said it's close. But all the stats do favor LeBron, and his 2008 was even stronger. I'm leaning 08 Kobe over 06 LeBron though, now that I've looked through the numbers.. But like I said, that was one of the debatable years. Just like I'm leaning 2011 LeBron over 08 Kobe.. But my main argument was those other years anyway.

I mean, if you want to argue that 08 Kobe is better than 06-08 LeBron, that's fine. It's not a ridiculous statement. But going through the numbers, nothing really favors Kobe between 07 and 08.. LeBron was just flat out more impactful, based on his raw numbers, advanced numbers, on / off numbers. Literally everything favors LeBron.. Not by a huge margin, but still favors him. It's really nothing wrong with this, LeBron will probably go down as the 2nd best player to EVER play.. It's not surprising that he has multiple seasons better than peak Kobe, since peak Kobe isn't even a top 10 peak of all-time.

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