21 million Chinese died of coronavirus – US intelligence officials intercept data
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You believe millions of folks died?
Yep, if we're talking about the whole china territory i believe.
Keep in mind there are 1.3 billion people in china. So 21 million is 1% of the population.
They easily hid 45 million deaths during the great famine under Mao..people in China didn't even know. It was the mid 20th century, but still...
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Mao's Great Leap Forward 'killed 45 million in four years'
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- Friday 17 September 2010 11:23
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Mao Zedong, founder of the People's Republic of China, qualifies as the greatest mass murderer in world history, an expert who had unprecedented access to official Communist Party archives said yesterday.
Speaking at The Independent Woodstock Literary Festival, Frank Dikötter, a Hong Kong-based historian, said he found that during the time that Mao was enforcing the Great Leap Forward in 1958, in an effort to catch up with the economy of the Western world, he was responsible for overseeing "one of the worst catastrophes the world has ever known".
Mr Dikötter, who has been studying Chinese rural history from 1958 to 1962, when the nation was facing a famine, compared the systematic torture, brutality, starvation and killing of Chinese peasants to the Second World War in its magnitude. At least 45 million people were worked, starved or beaten to death in China over these four years; the worldwide death toll of the Second World War was 55 million.
Mr Dikötter is the only author to have delved into the Chinese archives since they were reopened four years ago. He argued that this devastating period of history – which has until now remained hidden – has international resonance. "It ranks alongside the gulags and the Holocaust as one of the three greatest events of the 20th century.... It was like [the Cambodian communist dictator] Pol Pot's genocide multiplied 20 times over," he said.
Between 1958 and 1962, a war raged between the peasants and the state; it was a period when a third of all homes in China were destroyed to produce fertiliser and when the nation descended into famine and starvation, Mr Dikötter said.
His book, Mao's Great Famine; The Story of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, reveals that while this is a part of history that has been "quite forgotten" in the official memory of the People's Republic of China, there was a "staggering degree of violence" that was, remarkably, carefully catalogued in Public Security Bureau reports, which featured among the provincial archives he studied. In them, he found that the members of the rural farming communities were seen by the Party merely as "digits", or a faceless workforce. For those who committed any acts of disobedience, however minor, the punishments were huge.
State retribution for tiny thefts, such as stealing a potato, even by a child, would include being tied up and thrown into a pond; parents were forced to bury their children alive or were doused in excrement and urine, others were set alight, or had a nose or ear cut off. One record shows how a man was branded with hot metal. People were forced to work naked in the middle of winter; 80 per cent of all the villagers in one region of a quarter of a million Chinese were banned from the official canteen because they were too old or ill to be effective workers, so were deliberately starved to death.
Mr Dikötter said that he was once again examining the Party's archives for his next book, The Tragedy of Liberation, which will deal with the bloody advent of Communism in China from 1944 to 1957.
He said the archives were already illuminating the extent of the atrocities of the period; one piece of evidence revealed that 13,000 opponents of the new regime were killed in one region alone, in just three weeks. "We know the outline of what went on but I will be looking into precisely what happened in this period, how it happened, and the human experiences behind the history," he said.
Mr Dikötter, who teaches at the University of Hong Kong, said while it was difficult for any historian in China to write books that are critical of Mao, he felt he could not collude with the "conspiracy of silence" in what the Chinese rural community had suffered in recent history.
The God Poster
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21 million tho ?
BlackJesus
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Nope. I fail to see the connection.
In any case, 21 million chinamen gone ain't my concern.
David_TheMan
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US Intel, should be a red flag that bullshyt is being spouted
T'Challa Trillmonger
All Star
yup, both sides pointing fingers
one of the things china always resort to is to point out all the bullshyt USA has done historically ... on a moral, social and political level ... its a good tactic because it always spins the narrative, even tho there is a point there
fact is this is basically a cold war between two superpowers - one holding on to their position, the other jockeying for it ... and neither care about moral responsibilities, except to use it against the other side to fit their agenda
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BaldingSoHard
Veteran
Nope. We won't lose 21 million. Or even 2 million. Virus is already peaking. Not today not ever. Put the cape away.
In any case, 21 million chinamen gone ain't my concern.
Double-down on your shortsightedness, brehs.
IAMDetroit
"Yall Nig*as"
If you do the math even without the cell phone data.
Even biily gates say china lost 0.01% of its pop with potential of 1% to 4% death rate.
I think they lost a few million but not 21-22
BlackJesus
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And being farsighted means caring about Chinese people? If that's the case, nah. You can have that.
Both you and sir capes alot @G.O.A.T Squad Spokesman should try harder. He loves them even more than you do.
China has a lot of deaths and they are lying about their numbers but 21 million in two months is ridiculous. People drop and switch phones all the time. I would believe the higher carbon levels in the atmosphere(from burning bodies)over the cell phone theory