Tbh, this isn’t an unfair point. My only counter is how strongly are elected officials even advocating for any social progress? And when I say social progress, I don’t mean race or sexuality, I’m talking cleaner air, housing, schooling, etc.
I get your point, and I have to follow up by saying that I misunderstood some of the framework that you were talking about earlier. I saw your response to someone else and got that you were also talking about the global left, not just what we consider left in the framework of United States politics.
So on that note, I see where you're coming from. AOC is considered a loud voice for leftism in this country, but plunk her in the middle of leftists in France, for example, and she wouldn't be extraordinary at all.
I think my belief in, for example, nationalization of all industries that are necessities to healthy living is radical in this country, but no, it wouldn't be all that radical in a lot of places. So right, I agree with you from the perspective that when compared to the true advocacy that happens in the global left, advocacy for left-wing economic policies is quite muted here.
I agree. The posters in this thread are like that.
But the issue is that it’s a fickle voting block. What the Dems refuse to do is target the poor. COVID was literally the only time we had a semblance of social democracy in America, and the Dems decided to roll it back.
I think I would have agreed with you more before the GOP started waging a social and cultural war on a lot of the people in that group. I could be wrong, but I think that the GOP might herd a lot of those folks into the Democratic voting bloc for the foreseeable future, especially women.
This is not to say that leftist and progressive Dems shouldn't try to drag those voters to the left on economics once they've got them, though!
Tbf, when I speak for the unaware, I’m talking about the people who are lower middle class and poor who aren’t politically engaged because a)can’t afford to be b)know their lives do not change regardless of which party is running things.
Fair enough. The GOP has certainly politically engaged many of those people with social and cultural arguments. I have more skepticism than you do that the Democratic Party, if it were so inclined, could engage nearly as many people with economic arguments. Again, that doesn't mean that Dems shouldn't try, especially if demographics change enough over the next fifteen years that the GOP struggles to shift its message and consolidate its bases and its attempts to lock in power don't take hold. There will be a natural chance there to keep one eye on the GOP, but also allow one eye onto the ideological conversation that everyone needs to have within the Democratic party.
In my opinion, I don’t think you need to know the conversations between Marx and Engles to know that living off $8 an hour to support your family isn’t right. There are a lot of people out there that are like that but aren’t engaged. The question is how to engage them?
I think what leftist can do is do local events and drives to introduce concepts to that group. I wouldn’t even be concerned with national politics until this poor community knows what we do and what our aims are and how we can support them. True grass roots work. It’s why I am always skeptical of any political party who says they support the left,
This is true. It's frustrating that some leftists run for the presidency every year in obscurity instead of doing what the rightmost of right-wingers did and start winning school board seats, city council seats, etc. From a political standpoint, that's where we need to start, and with trustworthy candidates who come from those communities and can make people comfortable with leftist economic policies.
Even leftists just starting by feeding people in low-income and impoverished neighborhoods like the Black Panthers can help. Churches do this all the time, feed people or give people something and then bring them in where they now have a more receptive audience who will hear what they have to say.
Really, the only thing we disagree on is how possible it is that the Democratic party - or some leftist party that displaces the GOP and lets the Dems be the center-right party that they dream of being - can make real headway toward becoming a serious power in government within our lifetimes, which honestly I hope you're right and I'm wrong about.
I just want some breh to admit they from like Thailand or some other country 
