It's a choice between diarrhea and stepping in fresh dog shyt without shoes on at this pointatleast the reign of the do nothing, corporate bought culture war neoliberal dems will be over
2022 Midterm Elections: NO RED WAVE! - GOP Takes U.S. House; Dems Keep U.S. Senate
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Biden-successor chatter grows and Harris isn’t scaring off anyone
Biden-successor chatter grows and Harris isn’t scaring off anyone
Eugene Daniels, Alex Thompson
7-9 minutes
The spokespeople for that quartet either declined to comment or stressed that the moves were unrelated to future electoral ambitions. But the context in which these moves took place has given them a dose of intrigue unusual for when an incumbent president is still in his first year in office. Biden has said publicly and privately that he wants to run, and allies expect that will be only more likely if former President Donald Trump decides to challenge him in 2024 since Biden is skeptical of other Democrats’ prospects.
A person familiar with Biden's conversation about his 2024 plans says "he has told people he is running and that ‘we will be prepared.'"
But there has been persistent chatter in Democratic circles that he could decide not to. And talk of successorship has spilled into open view in recent days, with even a close Biden ally, former Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, speculating about Harris’ positioning in a potential 2024 primary.
All of it adds a new level of electoral uncertainty that the Democratic Party and Harris in particular face as they remain dependent on Biden’s success and unclear about his future.
“Folks are definitely playing chess right now. They're playing the long game and seeing how things develop and shift,” said Nina Smith, who has worked for Buttigieg and Stacey Abrams.
Though the expectation remains that Biden will mount a reelection bid, Democratic operatives are preparing for the possibility that it won’t materialize, noting Biden’s grim 2022 midterm prospects and his age — he’d be 86 years old at the end of any second term. Biden has also said he wants to be a bridge to the next generation, which has fed routine speculation that he could bow out to make way for a younger Democratic candidate.
Typically, the person at the other side of that bridge would be the vice president. But less than a year into her time in the executive branch, more than a dozen Democratic officials — some affiliated with potential candidates — say that Harris is currently not scaring any prospective opponents.
“She’s definitely not going to clear the f---ing field,” said one veteran New Hampshire operative.
Harris’ office is keenly aware of these sentiments and the landscape ahead of her. They continue to insist that she is only focused on being “Joe Biden’s Joe Biden” — a strategy that could endear her to both Biden and his political network and potentially pay off with a Biden endorsement, should the time come.
The vice president’s office declined to comment for this story. But, underscoring concerns about her future, her allies outside of the administration have argued she’s been set up for failure by the portfolio she’s been handed.
Harris' two main agenda items are voting rights and migration stemming from the Northern Triangle countries in Central America. Both are thorny topics with few easy solutions. And because of the absence of clear progress on both, Harris has become the subject of criticism from both the right and the left. Indeed, there are other potential candidates who have been making national splashes on both those fronts.
Abrams, who has been deliberate in maintaining her relationships with national Democrats and their donors, is directly associated with voting rights as an issue. If she runs and wins the Governor’s Mansion in Georgia next year, Democratic operatives expect her to at least consider a White House bid. Other Democrats across the country have also recruited her to send out emails given her draw among the party’s base and her potency as an online fundraiser.
Meanwhile, Harris’ “do not come” warning to migrants earlier this year, while the official stance of the administration, has earned the ire of some Latino circles. Famed journalist Jorge Ramos penned a furious column after her remarks, with the question: “What would have happened if a U.S. politician had told Harris’ Indian mother or her Jamaican father not to come to the United States to study?”
At the same time, former presidential candidate Julián Castro has frequently appeared on television to critique the administration on its immigration platform and stake out a more humane border enforcement policy.
Other Democratic officials note that some other new faces could be in the mix, like Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer if she wins reelection in 2022 and enjoys a good relationship with Biden.
Charles Burson, who served as Vice President Al Gore’s White House chief of staff during his presidential run, says Harris still has time to take on a big portfolio item that isn’t “impossible” and could allow her to “[elevate her] profile where the party and the nation looks to you as the leader.”
For now, Harris is operating in a media environment where “there's this assumption that a vice president's going to clear the field,” said Joel K. Goldstein, author of “The White House Vice Presidency: The Path to Significance, Mondale to Biden." Goldstein added that the ability to use the vice presidency as a springboard to the nomination and eventually the White House is an advantage almost every potential candidate would take over being a senator or even Cabinet secretary.
“The trade-off is you get the chance to sit in the situation room and to be the last person in the room and to go off to France and meet with [Emmanuel] Macron,” Goldstein said. But on the other hand, vice presidents inherit the popularity or unpopularity of the administration, and arguably the biggest challenge is “emerging from the president's shadow [and] preserving the idea that you're a leader and not just a follower,” he says.
While others can operate on their own — or in Buttigieg’s case, end up leading one of the administration’s most popular bipartisan laws — Harris’ vice presidency is more of a senior adviser role. It has given her proximity to the president but also placed her political future in the backseat as she toes the administration line. Allies note that voters don’t see Harris in many of her roles or hear the advice she provides to Biden in the Oval Office — putting her at the whims of public perception and media coverage of the role she’s playing. And with a 50-50 Senate, Harris has been forced to stay near D.C. to potentially cast tie-breaking votes on Biden nominees. That’s limited her capacity to do public outreach although she has traveled to New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada in her first year — critical early states in a presidential primary.
Those in Harris’ larger orbit point to the dozens of meetings she’s had with different important Democratic constituencies as an advantage for any future campaign. The meetings can serve two purposes: strengthening relationships with groups now while silently building a political network in waiting.
Smith says a solution for Harris is to take those meetings on the road.
“That could be a very good place for her to be. Since 2020 and the primary, I think everybody's kind of found their place, and it feels like she's still looking for that place,” Smith said. “I feel like she needs to come home, meaning you need to be talking to Black folks. She needs to be talking to the base as much as possible and not just meetings that's at the residence or in the White House. But I'm talking community.”
Zach Montellaro contributed to this report.
Biden-successor chatter grows and Harris isn’t scaring off anyone
Eugene Daniels, Alex Thompson
7-9 minutes
The spokespeople for that quartet either declined to comment or stressed that the moves were unrelated to future electoral ambitions. But the context in which these moves took place has given them a dose of intrigue unusual for when an incumbent president is still in his first year in office. Biden has said publicly and privately that he wants to run, and allies expect that will be only more likely if former President Donald Trump decides to challenge him in 2024 since Biden is skeptical of other Democrats’ prospects.
A person familiar with Biden's conversation about his 2024 plans says "he has told people he is running and that ‘we will be prepared.'"
But there has been persistent chatter in Democratic circles that he could decide not to. And talk of successorship has spilled into open view in recent days, with even a close Biden ally, former Connecticut Sen. Chris Dodd, speculating about Harris’ positioning in a potential 2024 primary.
All of it adds a new level of electoral uncertainty that the Democratic Party and Harris in particular face as they remain dependent on Biden’s success and unclear about his future.
“Folks are definitely playing chess right now. They're playing the long game and seeing how things develop and shift,” said Nina Smith, who has worked for Buttigieg and Stacey Abrams.
Though the expectation remains that Biden will mount a reelection bid, Democratic operatives are preparing for the possibility that it won’t materialize, noting Biden’s grim 2022 midterm prospects and his age — he’d be 86 years old at the end of any second term. Biden has also said he wants to be a bridge to the next generation, which has fed routine speculation that he could bow out to make way for a younger Democratic candidate.
Typically, the person at the other side of that bridge would be the vice president. But less than a year into her time in the executive branch, more than a dozen Democratic officials — some affiliated with potential candidates — say that Harris is currently not scaring any prospective opponents.
“She’s definitely not going to clear the f---ing field,” said one veteran New Hampshire operative.
Harris’ office is keenly aware of these sentiments and the landscape ahead of her. They continue to insist that she is only focused on being “Joe Biden’s Joe Biden” — a strategy that could endear her to both Biden and his political network and potentially pay off with a Biden endorsement, should the time come.
The vice president’s office declined to comment for this story. But, underscoring concerns about her future, her allies outside of the administration have argued she’s been set up for failure by the portfolio she’s been handed.
Harris' two main agenda items are voting rights and migration stemming from the Northern Triangle countries in Central America. Both are thorny topics with few easy solutions. And because of the absence of clear progress on both, Harris has become the subject of criticism from both the right and the left. Indeed, there are other potential candidates who have been making national splashes on both those fronts.
Abrams, who has been deliberate in maintaining her relationships with national Democrats and their donors, is directly associated with voting rights as an issue. If she runs and wins the Governor’s Mansion in Georgia next year, Democratic operatives expect her to at least consider a White House bid. Other Democrats across the country have also recruited her to send out emails given her draw among the party’s base and her potency as an online fundraiser.
Meanwhile, Harris’ “do not come” warning to migrants earlier this year, while the official stance of the administration, has earned the ire of some Latino circles. Famed journalist Jorge Ramos penned a furious column after her remarks, with the question: “What would have happened if a U.S. politician had told Harris’ Indian mother or her Jamaican father not to come to the United States to study?”
At the same time, former presidential candidate Julián Castro has frequently appeared on television to critique the administration on its immigration platform and stake out a more humane border enforcement policy.
Other Democratic officials note that some other new faces could be in the mix, like Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer if she wins reelection in 2022 and enjoys a good relationship with Biden.
Charles Burson, who served as Vice President Al Gore’s White House chief of staff during his presidential run, says Harris still has time to take on a big portfolio item that isn’t “impossible” and could allow her to “[elevate her] profile where the party and the nation looks to you as the leader.”
For now, Harris is operating in a media environment where “there's this assumption that a vice president's going to clear the field,” said Joel K. Goldstein, author of “The White House Vice Presidency: The Path to Significance, Mondale to Biden." Goldstein added that the ability to use the vice presidency as a springboard to the nomination and eventually the White House is an advantage almost every potential candidate would take over being a senator or even Cabinet secretary.
“The trade-off is you get the chance to sit in the situation room and to be the last person in the room and to go off to France and meet with [Emmanuel] Macron,” Goldstein said. But on the other hand, vice presidents inherit the popularity or unpopularity of the administration, and arguably the biggest challenge is “emerging from the president's shadow [and] preserving the idea that you're a leader and not just a follower,” he says.
While others can operate on their own — or in Buttigieg’s case, end up leading one of the administration’s most popular bipartisan laws — Harris’ vice presidency is more of a senior adviser role. It has given her proximity to the president but also placed her political future in the backseat as she toes the administration line. Allies note that voters don’t see Harris in many of her roles or hear the advice she provides to Biden in the Oval Office — putting her at the whims of public perception and media coverage of the role she’s playing. And with a 50-50 Senate, Harris has been forced to stay near D.C. to potentially cast tie-breaking votes on Biden nominees. That’s limited her capacity to do public outreach although she has traveled to New Hampshire, South Carolina and Nevada in her first year — critical early states in a presidential primary.
Those in Harris’ larger orbit point to the dozens of meetings she’s had with different important Democratic constituencies as an advantage for any future campaign. The meetings can serve two purposes: strengthening relationships with groups now while silently building a political network in waiting.
Smith says a solution for Harris is to take those meetings on the road.
“That could be a very good place for her to be. Since 2020 and the primary, I think everybody's kind of found their place, and it feels like she's still looking for that place,” Smith said. “I feel like she needs to come home, meaning you need to be talking to Black folks. She needs to be talking to the base as much as possible and not just meetings that's at the residence or in the White House. But I'm talking community.”
Zach Montellaro contributed to this report.
fresh dog shyt sucks but when used appropriately can be used as fertilizer to helps trees grow and fight climate change
diarrhea on the other hand
fresh dog shyt sucks but when used appropriately can be used as fertilizer to helps trees grow and fight climate change
diarrhea on the other hand
Json
Superstar
As with Trump being competitive despite pandemic handling, it only really matters what the economy looks like in May/ June when people are ready to vacation and go out.
If we are over the hump, the Dems will blunt a lot of this.
Rell Lauren
Banned
CNN actively promoting Chris Christie 
Now Ryan Grim wants democrats to also run as a republicans culturally 
It’s Not Just White People: Democrats Are Losing Normal Voters of All Races
Progressives like this stand for NOTHING
@88m3 @ADevilYouKhow @wire28 @dtownreppin214
@dza @wire28 @BigMoneyGrip @Dameon Farrow @re'up @Blackfyre @NY's #1 Draft Pick @Skyfall @2Quik4UHoes
It’s Not Just White People: Democrats Are Losing Normal Voters of All Races
Progressives like this stand for NOTHING
@88m3 @ADevilYouKhow @wire28 @dtownreppin214
@dza @wire28 @BigMoneyGrip @Dameon Farrow @re'up @Blackfyre @NY's #1 Draft Pick @Skyfall @2Quik4UHoes
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
I have mixed feeling on this tweets. If people's lives were substantially better, or if they thought they were on track to be, then things wouldn't be like this. Biden's agenda is a popularist's dream, but not enough of it. Everyone might like what he says he's going to do....AND they are upset he's not doing more of it. Dems had the power early 2021 and didn't push hard enough. BBB has been neutered. Biden caved on the $15 minimum wage, student debt relief, etc.
People's lives are fukkED UP, and until they see it changing, they are ripe for facism and right wing populism.
I don't know if the DNC earnestly believe that progressive policies aren't popular, if they are that out of touch. But I think it's very obvious that most of what working class people in this country want is to the left of the Democrats.
This is a scary moment. I do not want to have to survive and recover from the damage that a Republican sweep in 2022 and a Republican presidential win in 2024 will do to our country.
We badly, badly need to follow through on implementing progressive policies that will help working class Americans.
TheDarceKnight
Veteran
At what cost, though? I used to think the same thing, but if the alternative is the GOP then I'm honestly desperate enough to just want the lesser of 2 evils. This is terrible.atleast the reign of the do nothing, corporate bought culture war neoliberal dems will be over
What are Biden and the Dems going to do to help alleviate peoples perceptions? You have every media outlet blasting hit pieces about inflation and prices, a toothless investigation into 1/6, biden's approval is in the toilet, and they're all
about it. This compared to the GOP can do coups, break the law and 
at anything the Dems try to pass. They know there's no consequences from the reach across the aisle party and if they get the media to deliver, obstruct long enough, they'll be right back in power ready to load the courts with more conservatives and fukk up the economy. Meanwhile, the Democratic party will be reactive and as always not knowing how to beat the GOP messageWhen the next coup happens and it will the GOP will kill Democratic Congress people. I have no doubt in my mind they will kill their colleagues if it means they maintain power. They see the milquetoast response from Biden and company and they aren't going to leave it to chance next time.
88m3
Fast Money & Foreign Objects
So as an accelerationist you will vote for the GOP?