2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[A.R.$]

I feel like Biden can do that as well. Maybe I’m being naive, but I keep saying, I feel that when it really comes down to it, bid e knows he’s a stop gap until the party finds its next nom, and the party has a lot of work to do to define where it’s going beyond what any [one term] president can dictate.

I don’t disagree with this. I just trust Bernie decision making much more than Biden’s on picking the next leader. And like I stated before it is a big difference when it comes to FP between Bernie and Biden.

 

[the cac mamba]

can someone explain what cancelling all student debt would mean going forward is it literally just a gift to current debt holders? what happens to people in college right now?

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I don’t disagree with this. I just trust Bernie decision making much more than Biden’s on picking the next leader. And like I stated before it is a big difference when it comes to FP between Bernie and Biden.

I don’t think either of them picks the next leader, maybe they’ll have a VP both sides of the party like who can succeed them, but I think the party needs to define itself in the coming years and where it lands, a nominee will be born of that. The future of the party is bigger than either of them IMO

 

[the cac mamba]

I'd sincerely like to know what Bernie bros think sanders will get done in office? Are any of his ideas going to be instituted as he presents them in the campaign? If not, then where do you think the ones he acts on will actually land when presented to Congress? And are you ok with the inevitable compromise that would have to happen to get things done?

Bear in mind, he’s old AF so he’s likely a one termer, he’s hated by both republicans and 1/3-1/2 the dem party as well so congress will always be a challenge for him, and the courts are stacked with conservative judges...

I’m being serious right now, so please don’t reply with some crazy defensive answer or non answer via attacking one of the other candidates. I’d truly like to know what you actually think Bernie can get done, not just that he has the most progressive ideas.

what do you think warren can do that bernie cant

not even being argumentative, im curious. i feel like their platforms arent that different

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

what do you think warren can do that bernie cant

not even being argumentative, im curious. i feel like their platforms arent that different

The fact that she has various limits on student loans forgiveness - $50k and income qualifications, I think that’s passable.

Her health care plan is passable

Her wealth tax is doable

She also has buy in from both sides of the party, to me, that’s the biggest component, any dem pres is going to need basically the whole party behind them in congress to even have a shot at getting things passed. A faction of the party hates Bernie, that right there is an impediment. She’s also 8 years younger than him and has more realistic shot of being a two term president - just purely from an age perspective - which buys her more time to get things passed.

So yes, the slight difference in their policy, along with her wider coalition of dems and age are what sway me to believe she can get more done. Bernie’s policies, as he campaigns on them, are hard left or die. I don’t think they’re feasible as he presents them and with basically a 4 yr horizon to get them done in.

 

[SunZoo]

I feel like Biden can do that as well.

I don’t disagree with this. I just trust Bernie decision making much more than Biden’s on picking the next leader. And like I stated before it is a big difference when it comes to FP between Bernie and Biden.

With who though? Biden's "movement" is what? Who is the successor to Joe Biden'ism? Booty judge? I mean that's why he's even viable in the race right now...he's a younger alternative to Biden for a lot of people.

I trust Bernie to do any and everything he can to not only push his policies (and get fought on them) but also push the movement that comes the wake of his presidency. It's always been about the people, not wrangling political capital for Bernie Sanders the individual. He has a torch bearer in AOC...who is Biden inspiring? He may be a stop gap but given his propensity for trying to work with and appeal to republicans, who's to say his presidency doesn't lead to Josh Hawley rather than another, younger republican lite democrat...shyt if you take his word for it, he might be in the running for his VP already.

A one term Sanders presidency sets up a hell of a whole lot more of long term opportunity to not only retain the white house but other important political seats. A one term Biden presidency is "let's return to normal and THEN figure out what to do".

 

[the cac mamba]

The fact that she has various limits on student loans forgiveness - $50k and income qualifications, I think that’s passable.

Her health care plan is passable

Her wealth tax is doable

She also has buy in from both sides of the party, to me, that’s the biggest component, any dem pres is going to need basically the whole party behind hem in congress to even have a shot at getting things passed. A faction of the party hates Bernie, that right there is an impediment. She’s also 8 years younger than him and has more realistic shot of being a two term president - just purely from an age perspective - which buys her more time to get things passed.

So yes, the slight difference in their policy, along with her wider coalition of dems and age are what sway me to believe she can get more done. Bernie’s policies, as he campaigns on them, are hard left or die. I don’t think they’re feasible as he presents them and with basically a 4 yr horizon to get them done in.

ill be honest, i wish we could take bernie's positives and warrens positives and mold it into one candidate that candidate would destroy trump

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

With who though? Biden's "movement" is what? Who is the successor to Joe Biden'ism? Booty judge? I mean that's why he's even viable in the race right now...he's a younger alternative to Biden for a lot of people.

I trust Bernie to do any and everything he can to not only push his policies (and get fought on them) but also push the movement that comes the wake of his presidency. It's always been about the people, wrangling political capital for Bernie Sanders the individual. He has a torch bearer in AOC...who is Biden inspiring? He may be a stop gap but given his propensity for trying to work with and appeal to republicans, who's to say his presidency doesn't lead to Josh Hawley rather than another, younger republican lite democrat...shyt if you take his word for it, he might be in the running for his VP already.

A one term Sanders presidency sets up a hell of a whole lot more of long term opportunity to not only retain the white house but other important political seats. A one term Biden presidency is "let's return to normal and THEN figure out what to do".

I answered this question already, the dem party, if it’s going to be viable in the long term, has to bring both sides together and find what the next evolution of it is, that evolution is much bigger than who the president is.

 

[acri1]

The fact that she has various limits on student loans forgiveness - $50k and income qualifications, I think that’s passable.

Her health care plan is passable

Her wealth tax is doable

She also has buy in from both sides of the party, to me, that’s the biggest component, any dem pres is going to need basically the whole party behind hem in congress to even have a shot at getting things passed. A faction of the party hates Bernie, that right there is an impediment. She’s also 8 years younger than him and has more realistic shot of being a two term president - just purely from an age perspective - which buys her more time to get things passed.

So yes, the slight difference in their policy, along with her wider coalition of dems and age are what sway me to believe she can get more done. Bernie’s policies, as he campaigns on them, are hard left or die. I don’t think they’re feasible as he presents them and with basically a 4 yr horizon to get them done in.

Yeah, that's always been my biggest issue with Bernie. I like him on policy, I just think him and his supporters are excessively antagonistic towards other Democrats to the point of shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[FAH1223]

This is sort of a non answer, most these are things where there are cracks that open the path to some sort of change, although not without costs. But I’d really like to know what 2-5/6/7 things you all believe Bernie will leave office having accomplished.

I’m also not reading those long ass articles with the niner game on

it’s not a non answer

Read them after the 49ers game There’s a lot of good information there! You’re being way too dismissive and fatalistic!

The point is there is already laws on the books that can be enforced to improve people’s lives and the country at large.

Bernie would be aggressive on anti trust as Warren would be. I think both of them would break up the banks under the Dodd Frank Act that Obama signed for example.

Cancelling student debt is well within their purview and using the power of the Education Department to lower higher education costs is within their power. Making tuition free requires appropriations from Congress of course. But the steps before that can happen in earnest.

Foreign policy is where POTUS has the most leeway. I’m sure he will invest more in the State Department and the Foreign Service. That’s key to his plank.

 

[FAH1223]

The fact that she has various limits on student loans forgiveness - $50k and income qualifications, I think that’s passable.

Her health care plan is passable

Her wealth tax is doable

She also has buy in from both sides of the party, to me, that’s the biggest component, any dem pres is going to need basically the whole party behind them in congress to even have a shot at getting things passed. A faction of the party hates Bernie, that right there is an impediment. She’s also 8 years younger than him and has more realistic shot of being a two term president - just purely from an age perspective - which buys her more time to get things passed.

So yes, the slight difference in their policy, along with her wider coalition of dems and age are what sway me to believe she can get more done. Bernie’s policies, as he campaigns on them, are hard left or die. I don’t think they’re feasible as he presents them and with basically a 4 yr horizon to get them done in.

Warren can cancel student debt without Congress.

The Secretary of Education has that power.

95% of student debt is held by the federal government. This happened in 2010 when Obama signed the ACA into law.

 

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[Secure Da Bag]

Warren can cancel student debt without Congress.

The Secretary of Education has that power.

95% of student debt is held by the federal government. This happened in 2010 when Obama signed the ACA into law.

Obama cancelled student debt in 2010?