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In this cycle all we know is Bernie’s base is people under 50 years old and pretty diverse.

The issue is and I think they made this calculation is that they can’t get more than 20-25% of a traditional Dem primary electorate. They can’t crack older voters and especially black voters over 55 years old.

So they are gambling on expanding the electorate and bringing in new people to caucus and vote.

It’s very risky but they have no choice.

If it doesn’t work then Bernie will probably only win NH of the early states or win none of them.
What if he gets a black vp?
 

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Sure,
If that is something you care about. As long as you give the same energy about Biden working with and supporting multiple dictators around the world.


Looks like a man, who followed his boss' orders :ld:

Bernie engaged with dictators completely on his own
 

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Looks like a man, who followed his boss' orders :ld:
Now you are throwing The first Black President under the bus for “Corn Pop Joe”:snoop:. So you Biden Boyz have to choice. Either he take blame for the Obama administration mistakes, or he can’t take credit for the Obama administration accomplishments like the ACA and the Iran Nuclear Deal. Y’all can’t have it both ways.
 

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Now you are throwing The first Black President under the bus for “Corn Pop Joe”:snoop:. So you Biden Boyz have to choice. Either he take blame for the Obama administration mistakes, or he can’t take credit for the Obama administration accomplishments like the ACA and the Iran Nuclear Deal. Y’all can’t have it both ways.

didn’t throw Obama under the bus. I supportEd Obama’s decision to back Mubarak at the time.

so did joe.
 
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You asked a question and got an answer. I don't care about your lengthy attempts to spin. Moderate (really, actually centrist) Democrats were the ones threatening to filibuster *any* bill that included a public option. They're the ones who joined with Republicans to kill Rockefeller's public option amendment. They did the same for Schumer's amendment as well. Progressives at the time bent over backwards trying to get some kind of public option passed.

Rockefeller's public option defeated 8-15 in Senate Finance Committee vote

"The Senate Finance Committee rejected Sen. Jay Rockefeller’s (D-W.Va.) amendment to tack a public option onto the committee’s healthcare bill.

After nearly four hours of debate, the amendment fell on an 8-15 vote, with Republicans united against it and Democrats vociferously defending the notion of providing people with a not-for-profit insurance company backed by the government.

But Democrats on the committee did not mirror the GOP’s unity. As expected, Baucus and Democratic Sens. Tom Carper (Del.), Kent Conrad (N.D.), Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) and Bill Nelson (Fla.) joined all 10 of the panel’s Republicans to vote down Rockefeller’s amendment. Notably, Baucus and Conrad, along with Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), spent months trying to strike a deal with three committee Republicans."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/03/22/whatever-happened-to-the-public-option/

"This weekend marks the third anniversary of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, better known as "Obamacare." And for those of us who covered that rollicking debate, most of it seemed to be about one central question: Would there be a public option?

Remember the public option? It was, for many Democrats, their absolute top priority during the health-care reform debate. But they didn't get it. A handful of conservative Democrats, led by Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, made clear that if there was a public option, they would filibuster the final bill. And so it died."
 
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didn’t throw Obama under the bus. I supportEd Obama’s decision to back Mubarak at the time.

so did joe.
So,
You don’t have a problem with supporting dictators, you just have a problem if Bernie support one?
 

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Just look at this thread. I’m am one of the few that is ok with both. But in general Liz and Bernie supporters can be quite hostile towards each other.
I’m aware

But I think cannibalism is the wrong word.
 

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You brehs gotta stop having a conversation with @Warren Moon. He only got into politics a few months ago and doesn’t understand most terms. And he is readily willing to throw the first black president under the bus for a white man. :scust:

you support warren bc u want friendlier terms for illegal immigrants.

I was my high school vp, elected senator for the business school in college as a sophomore, served on the millennial committee for my city, 2nd black undergraduate intern for a vault 50 firm from my college.

I’ll run circles around u :mjlol:


You’re a grown man whose balls haven’t even dropped yet bc u refuse to post about what ur true goals are.
 

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So,
You don’t have a problem with supporting dictators, you just have a problem if Bernie support one?

it’ll be used during the general :yeshrug:

I doubt Biden will use it bc Clinton didn’t. We shall see tho
 

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Seriously Question:
Do you really think this is going to convince any Liz supporter to switch or is this just going to antagonize her supporters? A lot of Bernie supporters have a misconception about why people support Liz.

If you mean the video, it's not antagonizing. It's someone on the progressive left making a case to people who they consider to headed in the same direction for the country. Whatever reason people support Liz, if it's more about surface level woke bullshyt or p*ssy made centrist half stepping than progressive policy....they ain't trying to hear it either way. If it's about the movement that got her this far I think this could prepare those people to throw their support behind the person on their side who is trending upward.
 
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