2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[King Kreole]

this dude stinks like shyt

skipped to a random part of the video and he was complaining that Liz never explains what policies she wants to fund using the wealth tax

 

[A.R.$]

Bernie

Good news. Too bad the senate probably won’t vote on it because of bytch ass McConnell. If he is defeated in November, it will be a great day in American History.

 

[King Kreole]

Bernie

 

[Warren Moon]

You asked a question and got an answer. I don't care about your lengthy attempts to spin. Moderate Democrats were the ones threatening to filibuster *any* bill that included a public option. They're the ones who joined with Republicans to kill Rockefeller's public option amendment. They did the same for Schumer's amendment as well. Progressives at the time bent over backwards trying to get some kind of public option passed.

Rockefeller's public option defeated 8-15 in Senate Finance Committee vote

"The Senate Finance Committee rejected Sen. Jay Rockefeller’s (D-W.Va.) amendment to tack a public option onto the committee’s healthcare bill.

After nearly four hours of debate, the amendment fell on an 8-15 vote, with Republicans united against it and Democrats vociferously defending the notion of providing people with a not-for-profit insurance company backed by the government.

But Democrats on the committee did not mirror the GOP’s unity. As expected, Baucus and Democratic Sens. Tom Carper (Del.), Kent Conrad (N.D.), Blanche Lincoln (Ark.) and Bill Nelson (Fla.) joined all 10 of the panel’s Republicans to vote down Rockefeller’s amendment. Notably, Baucus and Conrad, along with Sen. Jeff Bingaman (D-N.M.), spent months trying to strike a deal with three committee Republicans."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2013/03/22/whatever-happened-to-the-public-option/

"This weekend marks the third anniversary of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, better known as "Obamacare." And for those of us who covered that rollicking debate, most of it seemed to be about one central question: Would there be a public option?

Remember the public option? It was, for many Democrats, their absolute top priority during the health-care reform debate. But they didn't get it. A handful of conservative Democrats, led by Sen. Ben Nelson of Nebraska, made clear that if there was a public option, they would filibuster the final bill. And so it died."

All correct. Conservative Democrats outwardly portrayed this. Internally the battle was about how the public option would be structured.

Moderate dems didn’t want significant job losses. The compromise was the public option ran by non profit health insurance companies.

but the progressive left was adamantly against it

How the “Public Option” Flew the Co-op

“True to this spirit of bipartisanship, the co-op scheme is a weak, tired, nearly meaningless idea that would represent no real alternative to business-as-usual in the health insurance industry. In the best-case scenario, which is far from guaranteed, the co-ops might have a less corporate governance structure than other insurers and receive federal subsidies for startup costs and more expansive coverage. In the worst case scenario, they would in effect be private insurance companies by another name.“


50% of Americans are currently covered by non profit plans now.

the white progressive left cares more about who controls the public option, more than actually implementing a public option.

it’s a hard line position for the government to take over 20% of the economy. Which I understand if you’re a true socialist why u want to do that.

but don’t get it twisted, the true progressive left has ulterior motives that come along with implementing universal healthcare. They want the government to 100% run it.

It’s not all, “I’m fighting for basic rights” bs that they try to sell. There are larger socialist goals they want to accomplish.

they helped kill the public option just as much as conservative Democrats did.

 

[mastermind]

you support warren bc u want friendlier terms for illegal immigrants.

I was my high school vp, elected senator for the business school in college as a sophomore, served on the millennial committee for my city, 2nd black undergraduate intern for a vault 50 firm from my college.

I’ll run circles around u


You’re a grown man whose balls haven’t even dropped yet bc u refuse to post about what ur true goals are.

See folks, he don’t understand anything. Dude is a baby boomer-minded dude who just got into politics thanks to online faux militants.

 

[Warren Moon]

See folks, he don’t understand anything. Dude is a baby boomer-minded dude who just got into politics thanks to online faux militants.

You’re right. U got me.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

I'd sincerely like to know what Bernie bros think sanders will get done in office? Are any of his ideas going to be instituted as he presents them in the campaign? If not, then where do you think the ones he acts on will actually land when presented to Congress? And are you ok with the inevitable compromise that would have to happen to get things done?

Bear in mind, he’s old AF so he’s likely a one termer, he’s hated by both republicans and 1/3-1/2 the dem party as well so congress will always be a challenge for him, and the courts are stacked with conservative judges...

I’m being serious right now, so please don’t reply with some crazy defensive answer or non answer via attacking one of the other candidates. I’d truly like to know what you actually think Bernie can get done, not just that he has the most progressive ideas.

 

[A.R.$]

If you mean the video, it's not antagonizing. It's someone on the progressive left making a case to people who they consider to headed in the same direction for the country. Whatever reason people support Liz, if it's more about surface level woke bullshyt or p*ssy made centrist half stepping than progressive policy....they ain't trying to hear it either way. If it's about the movement that got her this far I think this could prepare those people to throw their support behind the person on their side who is trending upward.

I didn’t watch the entire video but the little I saw, I found very condescending. These types of videos don’t help Bernie cause. Matter of fact it does the opposite. Videos like this and the shyt Michael Brooks do actually build more resentment towards Bernie.

 

[Pressure]

That new Bloomberg ad:

"I'm the only candidate who has never taken a penny from special interests"

 

[Atlrocafella]

I'd sincerely like to know what Bernie bros think sanders will get done in office? Are any of his ideas going to be instituted as he presents them in the campaign? If not, then where do you think the ones he acts on will actually land when presented to Congress? And are you ok with the inevitable compromise that would have to happen to get things done?

Bear in mind, he’s old AF so he’s likely a one termer, he’s hated by both republicans and 1/3-1/2 the dem party as well so congress will always be a challenge for him, and the courts are stacked with conservative judges...

I’m being serious right now, so please don’t reply with some crazy defensive answer or non answer via attacking one of the other candidates. I’d truly like to know what you actually think Bernie can get done, not just that he has the most progressive ideas.

Bernie has stated multiple times that he will get things done by galvanizing the masses to march in the streets and demand change. I’m being serious too, this was his answer when they told him a lot of his ideas wouldn’t get through Congress

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

That new Bloomberg ad:

"I'm the only candidate who has never taken a penny from special interests"

EVER

 

[FAH1223]

I'd sincerely like to know what Bernie bros think sanders will get done in office? Are any of his ideas going to be instituted as he presents them in the campaign? If not, then where do you think the ones he acts on will actually land when presented to Congress? And are you ok with the inevitable compromise that would have to happen to get things done?

Bear in mind, he’s old AF so he’s likely a one termer, he’s hated by both republicans and 1/3-1/2 the dem party as well so congress will always be a challenge for him, and the courts are stacked with conservative judges...

I’m being serious right now, so please don’t reply with some crazy defensive answer or non answer via attacking one of the other candidates. I’d truly like to know what you actually think Bernie can get done, not just that he has the most progressive ideas.

Here are things the next President can do and some of the candidates have already pledged to do once in office. Note, all of these do not require new laws. This is using the laws already on the books and the executive enforcing them. We forget how much power exists and discretion that the White House has with the federal agencies.

Cancel Student Debt—Almost All of It

Overhaul the Business of Wall Street

Sanders and Warren Vow to Legalize Marijuana Through Executive Action

Create a Public Option for Simple Banking

Aggressively Address the Climate Crisis

Force Drug Companies to Lower Prices

How the Next President Can Transform the Economy

Unleash the Existing Anti-Monopoly Arsenal

It may not be Medicare For All or Green New Deal but these are things that can be done immediately.

 

[A.R.$]

I'd sincerely like to know what Bernie bros think sanders will get done in office? Are any of his ideas going to be instituted as he presents them in the campaign? If not, then where do you think the ones he acts on will actually land when presented to Congress? And are you ok with the inevitable compromise that would have to happen to get things done?

Bear in mind, he’s old AF so he’s likely a one termer, he’s hated by both republicans and 1/3-1/2 the dem party as well so congress will always be a challenge for him, and the courts are stacked with conservative judges...

I’m being serious right now, so please don’t reply with some crazy defensive answer or non answer via attacking one of the other candidates. I’d truly like to know what you actually think Bernie can get done, not just that he has the most progressive ideas.

Great points Sis. I know I am not the right person to answer your questions because I am not a Bernie Bro, but the one area I think he would be great at is foreign policy. I think Bernie FP is the most consistent and correct out of all of the candidates. And that is something we really need after what that dumb fukk Trump has done. And that is the one area where the president have the most power to enact change.

When it comes to domestic policies you are 100 percent correct. Almost none of his policies will be passed as is, and he will more than likely be a one term president. What he can do is setup the next leader of the Democratic Party with his choice of VP. And because it is an area of weakness for him, I believe his VP would be a progressive Black woman.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

Here are things the next President can do and some of the candidates have already pledged to do once in office. Note, all of these do not require new laws. This is using the laws already on the books and the executive enforcing them. We forget how much power exists and discretion that the White House has with the federal agencies.

Cancel Student Debt—Almost All of It

Overhaul the Business of Wall Street

Sanders and Warren Vow to Legalize Marijuana Through Executive Action

Create a Public Option for Simple Banking

Aggressively Address the Climate Crisis

Force Drug Companies to Lower Prices

How the Next President Can Transform the Economy

Unleash the Existing Anti-Monopoly Arsenal

It may not be Medicare For All or Green New Deal but these are things that can be done immediately.

This is sort of a non answer, most these are things where there are cracks that open the path to some sort of change, although not without costs. But I’d really like to know what 2-5/6/7 things you all believe Bernie will leave office having accomplished.

I’m also not reading those long ass articles with the niner game on

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

When it comes to domestic policies you are 100 percent correct. Almost none of his policies will be passed as is, and he will more than likely be a one term president. What he can do is setup the next leader of the Democratic Party with his choice of VP. And because it is an area of weakness for him, I believe his VP would be a progressive Black woman.

I feel like Biden can do that as well. Maybe I’m being naive, but I keep saying, I feel that when it really comes down to it, Biden knows he’s a stop gap until the party finds its next nom, and the party has a lot of work to do to define where it’s going beyond what any [one term] president can dictate.