2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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Strawman. @Berniewood Hogan constantly mocks the idea of a woman president and attacks people who support women candidates as only doing so because they are women.
While you and many other people may have legitimate criticisms his position is often just sexist.
Regarding your initial claim about her being a republican in 40 years ago, the article you presented explains why it's a foolish take
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Now would you please answer my original questions.
If the criticism of Sanders supporters is that the media doesn't give him fair coverage because of his stances on corporations and progressive policy, why are you crying foul that these same corporations are giving Elizabeth Warren positive coverage?
He reduced it down to butthrt women.
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but the polls says my candidate of choice is winning
i dont know man, i think an old white man is the way to go, *insert non coastal state* would never vote for a woman
But if people are talking like that on twitter, punting on her in interview, what can you do? I think midwestern voters need to stop talking out of both sides of their mouths imo. General polling for a female president is high, but when asked to actually do, these voters said no.I agree this is exactly what it is. All it does is reinforce the belief that a woman can't win.
If you don't vote for Liz based on the belief that other people won't do it because she's female, you still took a vote from her based on gender.
A lot of this BS people say about electability and What Would Old Midwest Whites do is nothing but
WTF is he talking about?????????????
Thread by @michaelharriot: "Thread: I'm always astounded by the imaginings of white people as it relates to race. Many of them have this fictionalized jigaboo version t […]"
Thread: I'm always astounded by the imaginings of white people as it relates to race. Many of them have this fictionalized jigaboo version that is almost alien-like. And one of the greatest examples of this ever is Joe Biden's story about Corn Pop the gangsta.
Now it has already been demonstrably proven that Biden will make stuff up. But any black person who hears this story will automatically give you the side-eye and says: "nikka please."
It begins when Biden was working as a lifeguard at a pool.
Now Biden is like, 176 years old, but he's still in pretty good shape. This supposedly happened in the summer of 1962.
Biden says that, instead of hanging out all summer, he decided to take a job working as a lifeguard at a black pool.
So, that summer, Biden was the only white lifeguard at Prices Run swimming pool in Brown-Burton Winchester Park. He says he did it—y'all, I SWEAR this is true—"in hopes of learning more about the black community."
Yes, that's an actual quote.
Biden says that he became popular at the pool because many of the black people in Wilmington, DE had never talked to a white person before.
This raised by bullshyt-o-meter, so I decided to look it up. In 1960, Wilmington was 73% white, according to census records
Anyway, during Biden's Negro Summer Safari Adventure, one day, all of the town gangsters came to the pool.
Now I know what you're thinking, but don't stereotype. Gangbangers are NOT a monolith.
Why can't a real street nikka enjoy a nice refreshing dip? Sometimes a thug wants to play Marco Polo, too.
Well, the gang that invaded Biden's pool was called the Romans, which sounds gangsta AF. And the leader of the Romans was a dude named Corn Pop.
Now if you're black, I know this shyt sounds like some white kid tried to make a gang fairy tale for a sixth-grade play because you and I know there ain't no squad led by a nikka named Corn Pop going around terrorizing Delaware pools.
But, I guess, in white people minds, thugs get two weeks vacation and go on retreats at city pools.
Anyway, Biden says he had no idea that Corn Pop was the duly elected leader of the hood nikkas. So when Corn Pop began bouncing on the diving board, which was against the rules,
Biden told him:
"Esther Williams! Get off the board, man..."
Then Biden kicked Corn Pop out of the pool.
(I know you're thinking "Who TF is Esther Williams?" She was a famous swimmer in the 50s. But I admit, I thought he was talking about the lady who played Florida Evans, too)
Anyway, after he kicked the probably fictitious Corn Pop out of the pool, everybody was like:
They told Biden that Corn Pop carried a straight razor and was gonna be waiting for him when he got off work. Now you and I both know that, if this was true, Biden would've just called the cops to walk him to the car.
But this was in 1962, and before 911, you had to dial a whole seven numbers. Plus, Biden said that he knew that if he called the cops, he wouldn't be allowed back into the African American community
nikka, what?
Anyway, Biden says, instead he wrapped a six-foot metal chain around his arm and wrapped that in a towel. Because everyone knows there are ample black chains just laying around the "African America community" but no police officers.
When he went out to the car, Corn Pop was indeed waiting for him. But Biden went Clint Eastwood on Corn and told OG Pop from the Romans:
"You might cut me, Corn Pop, but I’m going to wrap this chain around your head before you do."
Again, that is a direct quote.
And guess what happened?
Just like that, my nikka CP put down the straight razor and he and Biden became friends. From that day own, Biden was untouchable in the black community because Corn Pop vouched for him
Again, STOP LAUGHING!
Now I don't know how it works where you live, but in my hood, you don't actually get a laminated street credential card from the neighborhood thug council but, then again, I've never been on the mean streets of Wilmington.
But this story is actually recounted in Joe Biden's 2007 autobiography AND is retold in the Washington Post, here: washingtonpost.com/news/morning-m…
But this is not about Biden.
This is a celebration of the life of a straight razor-carrying certified street thug who I'd bet my pinky toe never existed. But if you ask Biden, I bet he'd say Corn Pop has passed on.
RIP my nikka Corn Pop.
This is how it sounds when thugs die
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Biden allies attack Warren’s electability
Biden allies attack Warren’s electability
Lawmakers in the Massachusetts senator’s home state point to her past election performance as a sign of weakness.
MARC CAPUTO09/15/2019 07:08 AM EDT
Sen. Elizabeth Warren drew 60 percent of the vote in 2018, but she lagged behind other Massachusetts Democrats in statewide elections. | Jessica Hill/AP Photo
As Elizabeth Warren climbs in the polls, Joe Biden’s Massachusetts allies are warning that her election history suggests she runs weakest among the types of voters Democrats need to win over to capture the White House.
While Warren won reelection easily in 2018, Biden’s backers point to her performance among independent and blue-collar voters as evidence she’ll fail to appeal to similar voters in the Rust Belt — just as Hillary Clinton did in 2016.
“The grave concern of many of us Democrats in Massachusetts is that in many of the counties where Sen. Warren underperforms, they are demographically and culturally similar to voters in key swing states,” said state Rep. John Rogers, who backs Biden.
“The tangible fear here,” Rogers said, “is that these Massachusetts counties are bellwethers for states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio — key states that Democrats can't afford to lose in the battle to beat President Trump.”
Warren’s critics have long assailed the former Harvard Law School professor for being too far liberal and too out-of-touch with blue-collar voters to beat Donald Trump, despite an economic message that speaks directly to many of their concerns. Electability, meanwhile, is the core of Biden’s argument for the nomination: his campaign frames him as the Democrat best positioned to defeat Trump.
Skeptics of Warren’s "electability" typically haven’t hailed from Massachusetts, where in 2018 she handily defeated Republican Geoff Diehl, who embraced Trump in a state where the president is wildly unpopular. Yet even in victory — which she achieved without buying any television ads — Warren’s 60 percent to 36 percent winning margin failed to impress: She lagged behind the four other Democrats who won statewide office that year.
While Warren racked up large margins in Boston and other liberal bastions, she won only half of the 20 towns with the most independent voters.
State Rep. Angelo M. Scaccia pointed out even Gov. Charlie Baker — the lone Republican to win last year in the solidly blue state — received a higher percentage of the vote than Warren in 2018, as well as more total votes.
“The Republican governor was the top vote-getter, and the secretary of state got more votes than Warren, outscored her very badly,” said Scaccia, a moderate Democrat. He said Warren should’ve “crushed” Diehl by a larger margin considering he was running as a proud Trump Republican in Massachusetts.
“It was the year of the woman,” Scaccia said. “She should’ve done much better.”
Scaccia noted that Warren also ran well behind Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey, another woman running statewide for reelection in 2018. Healey, who won 70 percent of the vote statewide, captured a higher share of the votethan Warren in 337 of the state’s 351 towns and cities.
Another Democratic member of the Massachusetts Legislature who supports Biden but who did not want to go on record criticizing Warren, said the senator’s performance in the state was reminiscent of Clinton’s struggles against Trump in 2016 among non-college-educated and white suburban voters.
“A vote for Elizabeth Warren in the primary is a vote for Trump in the general,” the self-described progressive Democrat said. “We’re thinking about the swing voters in other states, and we don’t want a repeat of what happened last time.”
Some national and state polls have found Biden running stronger against Trump than Warren, in part because of his appeal with independent voters. A recent Marquette University survey in swing-state Wisconsin, for instance, showed Biden beating Trump by 9 percentage points while Warren tied him at 45 percent each. With independent voters in the poll, Biden leads Trump by 22 points while Warren trails him by 8.
And a new ABC/Washington Post poll found that 42 percent of Democrats nationally think Biden would fare best against Trump, 14 percent said Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and 12 percent said Warren. In head-to-head matchups, Biden beats Trump by 15 points and Warren beats him by 7 in the poll, which shows Biden head of the president by 14 points among independents while Warren is up by only 4.
Non-college-educated voters — who strongly favored Trump in 2016 — favor Biden by 6 points while Warren ties Trump with this group, the poll shows.
Warren’s supporters accuse Biden’s Massachusetts backers of cherry-picking data as the polls begin to show her gaining traction. While the senator’s campaign declined to comment for this story, it referred to a postelection analysis authored by state Democratic Party Chairman Gus Bickford, who lauded her win as “the greatest margin of victory of any Democratic Senate or Gubernatorial candidate in Massachusetts in the last 10 years.”
According to Bickford’s analysis, Warren also improved her standing with rural voters and in nonwhite communities.
State Sen. Eric Lesser, a Warren supporter, said Warren is gaining ground with independently minded voters in his Springfield-based district, which has a mix of rural and suburban voters where five of the nine communities voted for Trump.
“My district was home to dozens of huge manufacturing centers,” he said, ticking off the companies that closed and moved out. “They left in the '70s and '80s, and people in my community are looking for someone for an answer to that. And Elizabeth Warren and her message connects with them.”
Mary Anne Marsh, a senior adviser to former Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, said the criticisms coming from Biden’s supporters make them sound “very nervous.”
“I've heard this as part of conventional wisdom, just like I’ve heard Joe Biden can beat Trump. But since April [when he announced his candidacy], he’s been terrible,” she said. “What, third time’s the charm? He has run for president twice before. What makes people think this time will be any different?”
As for Warren’s blue-collar appeal, Marsh pointed out that Warren beat incumbent GOP Sen. Scott Brown 54-46 percent in 2012 — and did it with the support of the firefighters’ union that has, in her estimation, too often sided with Republicans.
Scott Ferson, a political consultant who is neutral in the race, said Warren reminds him of his old boss, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, who was perceived as too liberal in less urban parts of the state.
“Elizabeth Warren can be polarizing a little bit, what some see as stridency, in more conservative sections of the state, which is Kennedy-esque,” he said. “But she beat Scott Brown, and he drove a pickup truck. I get the concern, but I think these legislators may be a little too sensitive.”
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Biden allies attack Warren’s electability
Biden allies attack Warren’s electability
Lawmakers in the Massachusetts senator’s home state point to her past election performance as a sign of weakness.
MARC CAPUTO09/15/2019 07:08 AM EDT
Sen. Elizabeth Warren drew 60 percent of the vote in 2018, but she lagged behind other Massachusetts Democrats in statewide elections. | Jessica Hill/AP Photo
As Elizabeth Warren climbs in the polls, Joe Biden’s Massachusetts allies are warning that her election history suggests she runs weakest among the types of voters Democrats need to win over to capture the White House.
While Warren won reelection easily in 2018, Biden’s backers point to her performance among independent and blue-collar voters as evidence she’ll fail
to appeal to similar voters in the Rust Belt — just as Hillary Clinton did in 2016.“The grave concern of many of us Democrats in Massachusetts is that in many of the counties where Sen. Warren underperforms, they are demographically and culturally similar to voters in key swing states,” said state Rep. John Rogers, who backs Biden.
“The tangible fear here,” Rogers said, “is that these Massachusetts counties are bellwethers for states like Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio — key states that Democrats can't afford to lose in the battle to beat President Trump.”
Warren’s critics have long assailed the former Harvard Law School professor for being too far liberal and too out-of-touch with blue-collar voters to beat Donald Trump, despite an economic message that speaks directly to many of their concerns. Electability, meanwhile, is the core of Biden’s argument for the nomination: his campaign frames him as the Democrat best positioned to defeat Trump.
Skeptics of Warren’s "electability" typically haven’t hailed from Massachusetts, where in 2018 she handily defeated Republican Geoff Diehl, who embraced Trump in a state where the president is wildly unpopular. Yet even in victory — which she achieved without buying any television ads — Warren’s 60 percent to 36 percent winning margin failed to impress: She lagged behind the four other Democrats who won statewide office that year.
While Warren racked up large margins in Boston and other liberal bastions, she won only half of the 20 towns with the most independent voters.
State Rep. Angelo M. Scaccia pointed out even Gov. Charlie Baker — the lone Republican to win last year in the solidly blue state — received a higher percentage of the vote than Warren in 2018, as well as more total votes.
“The Republican governor was the top vote-getter, and the secretary of state got more votes than Warren, outscored her very badly,” said Scaccia, a moderate Democrat. He said Warren should’ve “crushed” Diehl by a larger margin considering he was running as a proud Trump Republican in Massachusetts.
“It was the year of the woman,” Scaccia said. “She should’ve done much better.”
Scaccia noted that Warren also ran well behind Massachusetts Attorney General Maura Healey, another woman running statewide for reelection in 2018. Healey, who won 70 percent of the vote statewide, captured a higher share of the votethan Warren in 337 of the state’s 351 towns and cities.
Another Democratic member of the Massachusetts Legislature who supports Biden but who did not want to go on record criticizing Warren, said the senator’s performance in the state was reminiscent of Clinton’s struggles against Trump in 2016 among non-college-educated and white suburban voters.
“A vote for Elizabeth Warren in the primary is a vote for Trump in the general,” the self-described progressive Democrat said. “We’re thinking about the swing voters in other states, and we don’t want a repeat of what happened last time.”
Some national and state polls have found Biden running stronger against Trump than Warren, in part because of his appeal with independent voters. A recent Marquette University survey in swing-state Wisconsin, for instance, showed Biden beating Trump by 9 percentage points while Warren tied him at 45 percent each. With independent voters in the poll, Biden leads Trump by 22 points while Warren trails him by 8.
And a new ABC/Washington Post poll found that 42 percent of Democrats nationally think Biden would fare best against Trump, 14 percent said Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders and 12 percent said Warren. In head-to-head matchups, Biden beats Trump by 15 points and Warren beats him by 7 in the poll, which shows Biden head of the president by 14 points among independents while Warren is up by only 4.
Non-college-educated voters — who strongly favored Trump in 2016 — favor Biden by 6 points while Warren ties Trump with this group, the poll shows.
Warren’s supporters accuse Biden’s Massachusetts backers of cherry-picking data as the polls begin to show her gaining traction. While the senator’s campaign declined to comment for this story, it referred to a postelection analysis authored by state Democratic Party Chairman Gus Bickford, who lauded her win as “the greatest margin of victory of any Democratic Senate or Gubernatorial candidate in Massachusetts in the last 10 years.”
According to Bickford’s analysis, Warren also improved her standing with rural voters and in nonwhite communities.
State Sen. Eric Lesser, a Warren supporter, said Warren is gaining ground with independently minded voters in his Springfield-based district, which has a mix of rural and suburban voters where five of the nine communities voted for Trump.
“My district was home to dozens of huge manufacturing centers,” he said, ticking off the companies that closed and moved out. “They left in the '70s and '80s, and people in my community are looking for someone for an answer to that. And Elizabeth Warren and her message connects with them.”
Mary Anne Marsh, a senior adviser to former Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry, said the criticisms coming from Biden’s supporters make them sound “very nervous.”
“I've heard this as part of conventional wisdom, just like I’ve heard Joe Biden can beat Trump. But since April [when he announced his candidacy], he’s been terrible,” she said. “What, third time’s the charm? He has run for president twice before. What makes people think this time will be any different?”
As for Warren’s blue-collar appeal, Marsh pointed out that Warren beat incumbent GOP Sen. Scott Brown 54-46 percent in 2012 — and did it with the support of the firefighters’ union that has, in her estimation, too often sided with Republicans.
Scott Ferson, a political consultant who is neutral in the race, said Warren reminds him of his old boss, the late Sen. Ted Kennedy, who was perceived as too liberal in less urban parts of the state.
“Elizabeth Warren can be polarizing a little bit, what some see as stridency, in more conservative sections of the state, which is Kennedy-esque,” he said. “But she beat Scott Brown, and he drove a pickup truck. I get the concern, but I think these legislators may be a little too sensitive.”
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^^^^^^
Even for him, that’s an obscene level of spam.
Even for him, that’s an obscene level of spam.
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You can miss me with the Matt Stoeller tweets. Large majority approved of Obama's presidency by the end but he's magically a disaster comparable to Bush because he wasn't leftist enough and some rednecks hate him. fukkouttahere
Governing is impossible as long as the republican party holds enough seats to block anything from happening. And white rural voters will continue voting for them because ultimately they realized they're fukked no matter what, but just want to see black and brown people die first.
Governing is impossible as long as the republican party holds enough seats to block anything from happening. And white rural voters will continue voting for them because ultimately they realized they're fukked no matter what, but just want to see black and brown people die first.
Stoller jumped the shark on that string of tweets. He's completely disregardinh basic American history.
This a country where citizenship and the right to vote themselves have been tied to race and ethnicity since its inception.
This a country where citizenship and the right to vote themselves have been tied to race and ethnicity since its inception.