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Idk wtf king kreole is writing or any of you. Because Elizabeth warren hasnt done a damn thing.

"She did more than him to actually wield the levers of power in Washington to progressive ends, and she entered the game far later than he did."

For anyone reading this, no need to look up her record. She ain't done shyt. :beli:




The facts are that when it came time to back a progressive in 2016 Elizabeth warren proved who she was.

Now let's look at real consistency:



A lifetime. :mjcry:


He used hyperbole for sure. But Warren has a big feather in her cap which is the Consumer Financial Protections Bureau. The idea that Bernie wasn't in the trenches is absolutely revisionist though and comes from Clinton Camp rhetoric from last election. Here's Bernie fighting for Healthcare in 1993 (significant for more than one reason and also the article I grabbed seemed unbiased enough for all to find acceptable)...

HuffPost is now a part of Oath

In terms of wielding the levers of power, Warren is great strategically. But Bernie did pass more roll-call amendments than any of his cohorts during periods where Republicans were in power and well before he had the clout he needs to get bills passed outright. He was an outsider, he's still treated as such, the idea that he could magically manufacture consensus during the Third Way Democrat domination or the Newt Gingrich Republicans period on is fantasy and I don't think that's hard to see. He still got amendments passed though and even during this Trump administration; he worked with Ro Khanna and got a bill passed to stop arms sales to Saudi Arabia (Trump vetoed it of course).

Now for clarity's sake. None of this is to attack Warren, I disagree with her sometimes but same for Bernie. I think Warren is a great candidate with only a slight preference toward Bernie. But the attacks on Bernie seem to be based on narratives that aren't wholly true or are at a minimum disputable. Bernie managed to get things through at a time when neither party was on his side for most issues via roll call votes; He doesn't share the same strategy to get his agenda passed that Warren does but both have strategies that I think can work; and lastly, for the handful of "Bernie doesn't have a plan, Warren does" comments: Bernie dropped about 40,000 words worth of plans for addressing Climate Change, Criminal Justice Reform and Labor Empowerment over the last couple of weeks that I implore everyone to check out. The plans are laid out there for some of the biggest issues facing this country moving forward.
 

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In terms of wielding the levers of power, Warren is great strategically. But Bernie did pass more roll-call amendments than any of his cohorts during periods where Republicans were in power and well before he had the clout he needs to get bills passed outright. He was an outsider, he's still treated as such, the idea that he could magically manufacture consensus during the Third Way Democrat domination or the Newt Gingrich Republicans period on is fantasy and I don't think that's hard to see. He still got amendments passed though and even during this Trump administration; he worked with Ro Khanna and got a bill passed to stop arms sales to Saudi Arabia (Trump vetoed it of course).

How is this more valuable as the president than consensus building?
 

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Just an observation...

I’ve noticed this strange trend of white Democrats wondering why Biden is still out front while completely dismissing the entire Southeast as Republican country.

They really are ignorant to the fact that most black people in the US live in the South and will most likely vote heavy for Biden. He will clean up the Southeast even among white people.
 

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How is this more valuable as the president than consensus building?

Consensus building with who? Because if the Republicans still have a majority in the Senate than knowing how to work around their obstruction is going to be crucial. Both Warren and Bernie appear to have ideas about how they'll go about that.

How Newt Gingrich Crippled Congress
 

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Just an observation...

I’ve noticed this strange trend of white Democrats wondering why Biden is still out front while completely dismissing the entire Southeast as Republican country.

They really are ignorant to the fact that most black people in the US live in the South and will most likely vote heavy for Biden. He will clean up the Southeast even among white people.
This is the primary. In the general, those are trump states. Plus his blunders.
 

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Consensus building with who? Because if the Republicans still have a majority in the Senate than knowing how to work around their obstruction is going to be crucial. Both Warren and Bernie appear to have ideas about how they'll go about that.

How Newt Gingrich Crippled Congress
If democrats don't win the Senate Sanders and to an extent Warren aren't pushing through their most ambitious parts of their platform. Furthermore it suggests the country isn't as far left as some of you like to believe.

:francis:
 

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This is the primary. In the general, those are trump states. Plus his blunders.
I get it. I'm just saying, they are underestimating the support he has.

As for the blunders, I think political enthusiasts are making a way bigger deal out of it than the general public. I think the last 3 years or so have proved that its a relatively minor flaw. :yeshrug:
 

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If democrats don't win the Senate Sanders and to an extent Warren aren't pushing through their most ambitious parts of their platform. Furthermore it suggests the country isn't as far left as some of you like to believe.

:francis:
I think its obvious that the majority of the country has moved further left in the last decade. A Sanders/Warren failure to get legislation past the Senate is only an indication of how desperate the Republican apparatus is to hold on to whats left of its legitimacy. If Senate Republicans cared about what their constituency wanted, they would have come back from recess to put gun reform to a vote regardless of the outcome of that vote.
 

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If democrats don't win the Senate Sanders and to an extent Warren aren't pushing through their most ambitious parts of their platform. Furthermore it suggests the country isn't as far left as some of you like to believe.

:francis:

What do the 1000 or so seats lost while Centrists have been in control of the party suggest then :picard:...
 

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Yang gang on the come up!

Please no more old white people for President.... im done with that shyt.
 
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