2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

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Sanders voters are conspiracy theorists who need a dark boogeyman pulling levers to validate their worldview. :PatriceTrump:
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Biden and Sanders supporters jumping to conclusions based on their preconceived worldviews:scust:

Not surprising Warren supporters would tend to wait for for the facts before taking a position :ehh:
 
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I usually fukk with Krystal but this made me roll my eyes heavy. She seems to be forwarding this ahistorical narrative - commonly deployed by Bernie's most zealous fans - of what actually happened both behind the scenes and in the public during the Obama administration in order to disparage Liz and pump up Bernie. Anyone who knows anything about that era knows that there was one Democratic Senator who was a consistent thorn in the Obama Administration's side, and it wasn't Bernie Sanders. It was Elizabeth Warren. She jumped in the trenches, fought more fights, and won more battles than anyone else, while Bernie was relatively absent during that entire period. So Krystal saying Liz is the natural heir to Obama is an almost disqualifying display of historical ignorance. She even listed all the financial ghouls (Paulson, Bernanke, Cohn, Summers and I was WAITING on them to say Geithner before I blew my top but they couldn't remember him name) and how it's questionable whether or not Warren is beholden to that system, which is like...that that's even a question is utterly absurd.

Bernie has consistently held morally righteous positions, but he does not have as strong a track record of actually creating progressive change as Liz does. She did more than him to actually wield the levers of power in Washington to progressive ends, and she entered the game far later than he did. So if Elizabeth Warren doesn't have the spine and ability to "do what it takes to get it done", I see absolutely no evidence that Bernie does. There are good reasons to support him over Liz, but if you have to resort to lying on her record or manipulating history in order to make your case, it's not a strong one.

Krystal also makes an argument that I commonly see that "well, rich people are supporting her more than Bernie, so she must be an establishment shill and I'm with Bernie" and that also doesn't pass muster to me. Identification of enemies of progress is a good and necessary thing, but letting them drive the direction of your beliefs and support is dangerous and foolish. The ire of the wealthy is a useful heuristic but only in limited circumstances. It can't possibly be the driving force for a progressive movement. You have to play your game, can't let them dictate it. If Bezos starts donating to Bernie tomorrow does that mean we ditch him on mass?
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Noticed this shyt too.:francis: I was like oh word you on team Bernie all the way now Krystal ? No objectivity? Lots of assumptions on that clip.
 
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King Kreole said:
I usually fukk with Krystal but this made me roll my eyes heavy. She seems to be forwarding this ahistorical narrative - commonly deployed by Bernie's most zealous fans - of what actually happened both behind the scenes and in the public during the Obama administration in order to disparage Liz and pump up Bernie. Anyone who knows anything about that era knows that there was one Democratic Senator who was a consistent thorn in the Obama Administration's side, and it wasn't Bernie Sanders. It was Elizabeth Warren. She jumped in the trenches, fought more fights, and won more battles than anyone else, while Bernie was relatively absent during that entire period. So Krystal saying Liz is the natural heir to Obama is an almost disqualifying display of historical ignorance. She even listed all the financial ghouls (Paulson, Bernanke, Cohn, Summers and I was WAITING on them to say Geithner before I blew my top but they couldn't remember him name) and how it's questionable whether or not Warren is beholden to that system, which is like...that that's even a question is utterly absurd.

Bernie has consistently held morally righteous positions, but he does not have as strong a track record of actually creating progressive change as Liz does. She did more than him to actually wield the levers of power in Washington to progressive ends, and she entered the game far later than he did. So if Elizabeth Warren doesn't have the spine and ability to "do what it takes to get it done", I see absolutely no evidence that Bernie does. There are good reasons to support him over Liz, but if you have to resort to lying on her record or manipulating history in order to make your case, it's not a strong one.

Krystal also makes an argument that I commonly see that "well, rich people are supporting her more than Bernie, so she must be an establishment shill and I'm with Bernie" and that also doesn't pass muster to me. Identification of enemies of progress is a good and necessary thing, but letting them drive the direction of your beliefs and support is dangerous and foolish. The ire of the wealthy is a useful heuristic but only in limited circumstances. It can't possibly be the driving force for a progressive movement. You have to play your game, can't let them dictate it. If Bezos starts donating to Bernie tomorrow does that mean we ditch him on mass?
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I like Bernie, but I hate a lot of his supporters. Most of them have gone off the deep in when it comes to Warren because she stayed neutral, and didn’t endorse Bernie in 2016. They also go crazy whenever someone has legitimate criticism of Bernie(not the main stream media bullshyt), like his shytty answer on reparations. When it comes to regulating Wall St/the financial industry, there hasn’t been anyone better than Liz Warren. Bernie supporters need to be careful on how they go about attacking her. A lot of of it is just hacky, and they will end up alienating people instead of bring them to their side. If they want to make the case for Bernie they should just stick to policy. Bernie student loan forgiveness plan is far better than Warren’s. He is the strongest candidate when it comes to Medicare for All, and has the best foreign policy out of all the candidates. He just came out with a good criminal justice reform proposal. They should make this case without pushing these bullshyt attacks on Warren.
 
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