2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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storyteller
Superstar
I feel you on the rabidness of Hillary's white base. I guess what I don't see is where the assumption comes that knowing more about Bernie would cause black voters to turn against him. We saw the opposite in the primary against Hillary, as PoC learned more about his platform, he gained numbers (not enough to avoid losing by a large margin but significant enough to see a clear correlation).
That also speaks to my own personal experience. I'd say I've been in the opposite of an echo chamber. Family was Hillary fans (Puerto Rican and Irish for reference), went to HS for sports in a wealthy area with more conservatives around and then got my only experience with Bernie supporter types by actively seeking them out at events and rallies. So my whole personal experience was of people dismissing my candidate, learning more about him through the debates and coverage, then coming to me with questions and slowly shifting to a more favorable view. That's across races (Tristate my whole life between NYC and NJ so it's as diverse as it gets) and ages (though older heads were definitely less receptive, they did open up more to aspects of his plans at least). Basically, on name recognition alone most people I talked to were skeptical; but as his ideas were talked about people became more open to and approving of him.
None of that is to deny your experiences though. I ask these questions to add more perspectives to my worldview. It's politics, I'd be uncomfortable if someone didn't have any concerns about their candidate. Hearing the concerns of others can help me see if I've been missing something that I should reconsider or to better understand where my priorities differ from other likely Democratic voters aka the people that I'll be talking about policy and voting with when push comes to shove.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
The fact that you're highly engaged in politics - what you did to learn more/be able to better explain your support of Bernie is much more than the average American does.
As for your other questions, I don't have all the answers man, politics and people's motivations seem more irrational than ever to me. And I don't think our polling takes this into account which is why I question all all of them these days
storyteller
Superstar
I can respect that for sure. I run numbers for my job and then run stats to blog on sports, so I can't help but try to read into the numbers on polls and ish too. Worst case scenario, they can generate some good discussions
Why would he not win the nom? He’s young and more charismatic than anyone else wearing blue and still plays on the hope card that will inspire the youth to come out. This is a popularity contest and he would check every box.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
All the charisma in the world can't erase his voting record. And his Obama impression is sorely lacking, he talks like he is still rehearsing in the mirror. lol
He said Voting record
People are watching the news not looking up voting records. This is how y’all stay getting disappointed. Politics is a high school popularity contest, all that matters is how good you make yourself look once you are in the national spotlight. And if he decides to run, he’s miles ahead of the competition in that regard.
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Y'all?! So you're not disappointed with the current president?He said Voting record
People are watching the news not looking up voting records. This is how y’all stay getting disappointed. Politics is a high school popularity contest, all that matters is how good you make yourself look once you are in the national spotlight. And if he decides to run, he’s miles ahead of the competition in that regard.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
Which is why I don’t think he’ll get the nom. There are more popular names in the room, this isn’t the election where the previously murmured about senator (Obama) gets to pop out the shadows and steamroll their way to the nomination. If Biden jumps in, people will have to clear the Biden/Bernie/Harris field.He said Voting record
People are watching the news not looking up voting records. This is how y’all stay getting disappointed. Politics is a high school popularity contest, all that matters is how good you make yourself look once you are in the national spotlight. And if he decides to run, he’s miles ahead of the competition in that regard.
He’s truly a homerun VP candidate or would be more useful stealing Ted Cruz’s seat.
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
The field is crowded and disappointing. Beto will be convinced that taking Cruz's seat in the Senate is a bigger win for the party and his political career than running for President - which would be the right move. Biden is the potential big name if he throws his hat in but even still, everyone on the Dem side is essentially running with a lite version of Bernie's 2016 platform. He's going to remind everyone of this during the debates when he turns them into a showcase of his policies that the other candidates appear to be echoing.
Bernie being the front runner candidate is not a good look for the D's as R's have been programmed to associate 'socialism' with handouts and higher taxes, so an admitted socialist running on a D ticket is almost certainly not going to get a sizable swing from R's and Independents (disgruntled R's).
Stacy Abrams is the President we need but don't deserve at the moment, I hope she sits 2020 out and gets into the mix 2024.
Bernie being the front runner candidate is not a good look for the D's as R's have been programmed to associate 'socialism' with handouts and higher taxes, so an admitted socialist running on a D ticket is almost certainly not going to get a sizable swing from R's and Independents (disgruntled R's).
Stacy Abrams is the President we need but don't deserve at the moment, I hope she sits 2020 out and gets into the mix 2024.
Y’all as in people that think fly over country/the south cares about what “insert *centrist* dem” voted for in 2001.
The only thing that matters is how you present yourself in front of the populace. Nobody is doing homework, or cares. As already stated by @dora_da_destroyer , y’all mistake your small friend group / an internet message board forum about politics for the real world and stay getting disappointed as a result
there are more well known names yes, but they won’t be more popular once they are all on a stage together.
We will see...
intra vires
Glory to Michigan
@King Kreole @dtownreppin214 Finishing 4th in her own backyard would end our girl's campaign. Sure there's a whole year to go, but it's not like she's an upstart and she's behind Harris who was just being criticized for not schmoozing in NH enough...
AnonymityX1000
Veteran
Hillary lost the Midwest not only because she didn't go there but because of her support for trade deals and the crime bill. People do remember past positions. If you think it is just a personality contest you're mistaken.
Y’all as in people that think fly over country/the south cares about what “insert *centrist* dem” voted for in 2001.
The only thing that matters is how you present yourself in front of the populace. Nobody is doing homework, or cares. As already stated by @dora_da_destroyer , y’all mistake your small friend group / an internet message board forum about politics for the real world and stay getting disappointed as a result
there are more well known names yes, but they won’t be more popular once they are all on a stage together.
We will see...
Hood Critic
The Power Circle
Voting records and past policy gets exposed through political ads and hit pieces. It's never the record or policy in totality, it's the one or two that contradict your current messaging. Those will be the soundbites and ads that bombard potential voters.
Y’all as in people that think fly over country/the south cares about what “insert *centrist* dem” voted for in 2001.
The only thing that matters is how you present yourself in front of the populace. Nobody is doing homework, or cares. As already stated by @dora_da_destroyer , y’all mistake your small friend group / an internet message board forum about politics for the real world and stay getting disappointed as a result
there are more well known names yes, but they won’t be more popular once they are all on a stage together.
We will see...