Until the debates come around and we get more specific policy proposals, I'm no preference
Too early at this point. I can only hope that the Dems don't rip each other to shreds and leave the winner as easy pickings for Trump
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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Until the debates come around and we get more specific policy proposals, I'm no preference
Too early at this point. I can only hope that the Dems don't rip each other to shreds and leave the winner as easy pickings for Trump
storyteller
Superstar
These popularity pills are pointless.
But they also reaffirm why if the dems simply have a “name” everyone knows (Biden) might as well run him, this is going to be an election where name recognition > policy.
On a presidential poll this far out, name recognition rules over everything for sure. But this looks like it's just a basic favorability poll without comparing the candidates to each other directly (ie: "do you approve of this person, somewhat approve, don't care, somewhat disapprove, completely disapprove" asked in a vacuum). So while I agree that it shouldn't be used to say "this guy will win the presidency" or anything like that; I do think it holds value in changing the narrative that Bernie Supporters are just a bunch of white males and that his message doesn't translate to PoC. That's a claim that has been used consistently to attack the man while his he polls better PoC in recent polls that have popped up.
King Kreole
natural blondie like goku
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
I don’t think it shows that at all, simply shows name recognition like you said. That’s clear by the two black candidates “surprisingly” being 2 and 3
intra vires
Glory to Michigan
Until the debates come around and we get more specific policy proposals, I'm no preference
Too early at this point. I can only hope that the Dems don't rip each other to shreds and leave the winner as easy pickings for Trump
I get it; however, we probably won't be hearing specifics on policy until it's down to the last three or so candidates. You know given the size of the field and time constraints.
This all mean nothing until the real campaign and debates start.
storyteller
Superstar
How would that explain the -8 in favorability with white people though? If it just came down to name recognition, I'd assume that he wouldn't have a negative score with any demographic as he's one of the most recognized politicians in America today. Plus I think the whole "name recognition" point holds a lot stronger when people are given a list of names and asked to choose one. So I'm not saying name recognition wasn't a variable, but just not as big a factor and absolutely not the only factor considering he managed to go negative with white voters. Plus the tweet mentions that even if you control for name recognition, Bernie remains at the top.
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
They have a negative association with his name - Hillary supporters, centrists and conservatives. I’d say they have more knowledge/opinions of him whereas blacks have knowledge of his name. Anyway, This doesn’t mean shyt at this point, especially not if the “biggest name” actually jumps in the race
storyteller
Superstar
Here's what I don't get then, why wouldn't Hillary Supporters and Centrists drive down the numbers across demographics? Why should we assume white voters know Bernie better than other demographics? And to take that a bit further, why would a demographic that showed outsized support for Hillary not be skewed even more negatively than a demographic that Bernie did better with? These aren't gotcha questions btw, I'm curious to what gives you that impression as opposed to thinking something along the lines of "Bernie's message has more approval from demographics that have been most harmed by income inequality which is the core issue he's addressing."
dora_da_destroyer
Master Baker
I don’t think black people are as rabid about Hillary, she got support from the black community on GP of the Clinton name, not cuz we love her. My mom and her cousins are all 60 something and didnt like Hilary but didn’t even think twice about considering any other candidates in the primary just because... and unfortunately we’re pretty much loyal to the dem party so there isn’t much space for us to have negative net favorability
Edit: and my opinions are based on my experience talking to people across age brackets. I’ve said it again and again, a lot of y’all (maybe not you, I don’t know you) live in an echo chamber of like minded people and confirmation bias. I kick it hard with my parents (baby boomers) older bros (gen x) my crew (gen y) and my nephew and his friends (gen y/z I guess) so I’m just taking into account conversations and opinions from different demographics
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Basically every Dem has a positive rating with black people. Poll doesn’t mean shyt.
AZBeauty
Stop lyin' nicca.
Same thing can be said about Bernie supporters. Bernie Bros have to be the most self righteous, sanctimonious group of people to interact with on the internet. Let them tell it. Bernie is the white MLK. Its totally off putting and puts me in the mind of cult MAGA and Barbz.