Even simpler they go to one of 11,000 federally subsidized health centers in all 50 states that are required to provide them health services - - not just emergency.
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Honestly, they'd just elect someone else just as bad. There doesn't seem to be a shortage of morally bankrupt ideologues in the GOP.
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You want them to lie at the debate? Healthcare to illegals is the more efficent arguement
Blame chick todd for giving free ammo to repubicans.
You realize they are actually lying by endorsing this crap? They are pandering. Behind closed doors they most likely all agree it's ridiculous. I don't know what you mean by "efficient argument".
Not really. If anybody comes into an emergency room with a life-threatening condition, the hospital is required by law to treat them. Even if they're illegal.
And quite frankly anybody who wants hospitals to let people die because they're in the country illegally is a scumbag and the Dems need not pander to them.
Now if you're talking about putting illegal immigrants on an insurance plan or something, that's a different story. But I don't think that's really what was asked.
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6 hrs ·
Democratic presidential candidate John Hickenlooper pushed back on Twitter after satirical news site The Onion published the fake headline: "John Hickenlooper Sets Ambitious $250 Fundraising Goal For Next Debate Cycle."
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Hickenlooper replies to The Onion article mocking his fundraising: 'The race is wide open'
"We've already met our goal and we are on track to do more," he replied jokingly.
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We're talking about providing gov't insurance to illegals. Nobody brought up the emergency room scenario.Not really. If anybody comes into an emergency room with a life-threatening condition, the hospital is required by law to treat them. Even if they're illegal.
And quite frankly anybody who wants hospitals to let people die because they're in the country illegally is a scumbag and the Dems need not pander to them.
Now if you're talking about putting illegal immigrants on an insurance plan or something, that's a different story. But I don't think that's really what was asked.
There have been hella articles about this topic since the debate. The Dems are giving Trump a get out of jail card.
Are Democrats helping Trump by promising healthcare to undocumented migrants?
GOOD question, I got no idea where Perez is... he's a ghost and 'leading with our values'
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Lol why are you ok with calling 65% percent of the country scumbags? Because that's who believes that truthfully That's way more then trump voters. That's black people that's hispanics...that's a lot of this board to be honest. That's not gonna win voters over!Not really. If anybody comes into an emergency room with a life-threatening condition, the hospital is required by law to treat them. Even if they're illegal.
And quite frankly anybody who wants hospitals to let people die because they're in the country illegally is a scumbag and the Dems need not pander to them.
Now if you're talking about putting illegal immigrants on an insurance plan or something, that's a different story. But I don't think that's really what was asked.
yeah, that's the emergency room.Not really. If anybody comes into an emergency room with a life-threatening condition, the hospital is required by law to treat them. Even if they're illegal.
And quite frankly anybody who wants hospitals to let people die because they're in the country illegally is a scumbag and the Dems need not pander to them.
Now if you're talking about putting illegal immigrants on an insurance plan or something, that's a different story. But I don't think that's really what was asked.
thats not insurance.
its worse than that.
European countries are harder on illegals when it comes to healthcare than most people in the USA realize.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/democrats-use-nordic-nations-as-models-of-socialism-they-actually-involve-a-lot-of-capitalism/2019/06/24/b6d9bbdc-945c-11e9-b58a-a6a9afaa0e3e_story.html
Democrats point to Nordic nations as models of socialism. Here’s how they actually work.
Charles Lane
Socialism — pro or con — is the hot issue in Democratic circles as the party’s candidates for president prepare to debate this week.
To the obvious objection that socialism failed catastrophically in Venezuela and the Soviet Union, Democratic democratic socialists have a ready response: Our model is the thriving nations of northern Europe.
“I think that countries like Denmark and Sweden do very well,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) told an Iowa audience in April. “My policies most closely resemble what we see in the U.K., in Norway, in Finland, in Sweden,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told CBS’s “60 Minutes” in January.
Undoubtedly, the Nordic nations, with their high incomes, low inequality, free politics and strong rule of law, represent success stories. What this has to do with socialism, though, is another question.
And the answer, according to a highly clarifying new report from analysts at JPMorgan Chase, is “not much.”
Drawing on data from the World Bank, the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development and other reputable sources, the report shows that five nations — Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway and the Netherlands — protect property rights somewhat more aggressively than the United States, on average; exercise less control over private enterprise; permit greater concentration in the banking sector; and distribute a smaller share of their total income to workers.
“Copy the Nordic model if you like, but understand that it entails a lot of capitalism and pro-business policies, a lot of taxation on middle class spending and wages, minimal reliance on corporate taxation and plenty of co-pays and deductibles in its healthcare system,” the report notes.
Sanders and other left-leaning Democrats promise to pay for tuition-free college and Medicare-for-all with higher taxes on the top 1 percent of earners. Most Nordic countries, by contrast, have zero estate tax. They fund generous programs with the help of value-added taxes that heavily affect middle-class consumers.
In Sweden, for example, consumption, social security and payroll taxes total 27 percent of gross domestic product, as compared with 10.6 percent in the United States, according to the JPMorgan Chase report. The Nordic countries tried direct wealth taxes such as the one that figures prominently in the plans of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.); all but Norway abandoned them because of widespread implementation problems.
The Nordic countries’ use of co-pays and deductibles in health care may be especially eye-opening to anyone considering Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan, which the presidential candidate pitches as an effort to bring the United States into line with European standards.
His plan offers an all-encompassing, government-funded zero-co-pay, zero-deductible suite of benefits, from dental checkups to major surgery — which no Nordic nation provides.
The Netherlands’ health insurance system centers on an Obamacare-like mandate to buy a private plan; individuals face an annual deductible of $465 (as of 2016), according to the Boston-based Commonwealth Fund.
Dutch consumers’ out-of-pocket spending on health care represented 11 percent of total health expenditures in 2016, according to the Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker — the same percentage as in the United States. In Sweden, meanwhile, out-of-pocket spending accounted for 15 percent of health expenditures. Who knew?
These countries are generous; but they are not stupid. They understand there is no such thing as “free” health care, and that requiring patients to have at least some skin in the game, in the form of cost-sharing, helps contain costs.
“We have to join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care to all, including the undocumented,” Sanders said last month at a presidential forum hosted by immigrant-rights groups in California.
Actually, none of the Nordic countries enroll undocumented immigrants in their national health plans on equal terms with citizens and legal residents. Generally speaking, the countries provide acute care to undocumented adults, and full care to children, on an ad hoc basis. This is not unlike the United States, which provides billions of dollars’ worth of health care to undocumented people through various channels, public and private. In Denmark, private charity covers those who are undocumented.
These nations of northern Europe are far from perfect, as the recent fall of Finland’s government over its proposed reforms to that country’s financially troubled health system shows.
If they have established anything, it’s not socialism, or even the dominance of a benevolent state, but responsible governance. They have achieved a clear division of labor, between government (which arguably has a comparative advantage in health insurance and education) and the private sector (which is better at producing and distributing most other goods and services).
What the Nordic countries don’t do is pretend that society can have a strong and efficient social safety net without a big, mandatory financial contribution from the middle class. Nor do they deal punitively with the private sector, upon whose productivity the entire system ultimately depends.
American socialists’ enthusiasm for the northern European systems may be sincere. We shall see whether it can withstand full and accurate information about how those systems actually work.
Charles Lane
Socialism — pro or con — is the hot issue in Democratic circles as the party’s candidates for president prepare to debate this week.
To the obvious objection that socialism failed catastrophically in Venezuela and the Soviet Union, Democratic democratic socialists have a ready response: Our model is the thriving nations of northern Europe.
“I think that countries like Denmark and Sweden do very well,” Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) told an Iowa audience in April. “My policies most closely resemble what we see in the U.K., in Norway, in Finland, in Sweden,” Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) told CBS’s “60 Minutes” in January.
Undoubtedly, the Nordic nations, with their high incomes, low inequality, free politics and strong rule of law, represent success stories. What this has to do with socialism, though, is another question.
And the answer, according to a highly clarifying new report from analysts at JPMorgan Chase, is “not much.”
Drawing on data from the World Bank, the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development and other reputable sources, the report shows that five nations — Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway and the Netherlands — protect property rights somewhat more aggressively than the United States, on average; exercise less control over private enterprise; permit greater concentration in the banking sector; and distribute a smaller share of their total income to workers.
“Copy the Nordic model if you like, but understand that it entails a lot of capitalism and pro-business policies, a lot of taxation on middle class spending and wages, minimal reliance on corporate taxation and plenty of co-pays and deductibles in its healthcare system,” the report notes.
Sanders and other left-leaning Democrats promise to pay for tuition-free college and Medicare-for-all with higher taxes on the top 1 percent of earners. Most Nordic countries, by contrast, have zero estate tax. They fund generous programs with the help of value-added taxes that heavily affect middle-class consumers.
In Sweden, for example, consumption, social security and payroll taxes total 27 percent of gross domestic product, as compared with 10.6 percent in the United States, according to the JPMorgan Chase report. The Nordic countries tried direct wealth taxes such as the one that figures prominently in the plans of Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.); all but Norway abandoned them because of widespread implementation problems.
The Nordic countries’ use of co-pays and deductibles in health care may be especially eye-opening to anyone considering Sanders’s Medicare-for-all plan, which the presidential candidate pitches as an effort to bring the United States into line with European standards.
His plan offers an all-encompassing, government-funded zero-co-pay, zero-deductible suite of benefits, from dental checkups to major surgery — which no Nordic nation provides.
The Netherlands’ health insurance system centers on an Obamacare-like mandate to buy a private plan; individuals face an annual deductible of $465 (as of 2016), according to the Boston-based Commonwealth Fund.
Dutch consumers’ out-of-pocket spending on health care represented 11 percent of total health expenditures in 2016, according to the Peterson-Kaiser Health System Tracker — the same percentage as in the United States. In Sweden, meanwhile, out-of-pocket spending accounted for 15 percent of health expenditures. Who knew?
These countries are generous; but they are not stupid. They understand there is no such thing as “free” health care, and that requiring patients to have at least some skin in the game, in the form of cost-sharing, helps contain costs.
“We have to join the rest of the industrialized world and guarantee health care to all, including the undocumented,” Sanders said last month at a presidential forum hosted by immigrant-rights groups in California.
Actually, none of the Nordic countries enroll undocumented immigrants in their national health plans on equal terms with citizens and legal residents. Generally speaking, the countries provide acute care to undocumented adults, and full care to children, on an ad hoc basis. This is not unlike the United States, which provides billions of dollars’ worth of health care to undocumented people through various channels, public and private. In Denmark, private charity covers those who are undocumented.
These nations of northern Europe are far from perfect, as the recent fall of Finland’s government over its proposed reforms to that country’s financially troubled health system shows.
If they have established anything, it’s not socialism, or even the dominance of a benevolent state, but responsible governance. They have achieved a clear division of labor, between government (which arguably has a comparative advantage in health insurance and education) and the private sector (which is better at producing and distributing most other goods and services).
What the Nordic countries don’t do is pretend that society can have a strong and efficient social safety net without a big, mandatory financial contribution from the middle class. Nor do they deal punitively with the private sector, upon whose productivity the entire system ultimately depends.
American socialists’ enthusiasm for the northern European systems may be sincere. We shall see whether it can withstand full and accurate information about how those systems actually work.
I'd like to believe that 65% of the country wouldn't be ok with letting some little kid die because he's not here legally.
Maybe I'm wrong, but as far as I'm concerned whatever percentage of the country is fine with that are scumbags.
In that case the candidates/media/etc are doing a terrible job of clarifying their position on this.
All I hear is "Should hospitals treat illegals" without specifying the context.
Should illegals be put on an insurance plan? Of course not. Should somebody with a life-threatening condition be treated in the ER? Absolutely, saying otherwise is unethical in my opinion. And hospitals legally have to anyway.
Bruh I’ve been screaming on here for years about illegals running too much of the show and taking too much of the air on the political room where we already barely have anyI'd like to believe that 65% of the country wouldn't be ok with letting some little kid die because he's not here legally.
Maybe I'm wrong, but as far as I'm concerned whatever percentage of the country is fine with that are scumbags.
In that case the candidates/media/etc are doing a terrible job of clarifying their position on this.
All I hear is "Should hospitals treat illegals" without specifying the context.
Should illegals be put on an insurance plan? Of course not. Should somebody with a life-threatening condition be treated in the ER? Absolutely, saying otherwise is unethical in my opinion. And hospitals legally have to anyway.
Facts. @acri1 of course Hospitals have to treat you in an emergency room situation. It’s been pretty clear that the Dems are talking about providing actual healthcare coverage for illegal immigrants. American Citizens should not have to pay for the full coverage of individuals who are here illegally. The Dems will lose to Trump on this alone.
Biden (who I’m supporting) is going to catch a Major L in the Midwest if he doesn’t fix his position on this. The Dems think the majority of the country is solely focused on jobs and not illegal immigration though
