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i would argue theyre both center right but hilary is left of biden. I mean what economically was Hilary going to do that was left wing? what foreign policy of hers was left ? left has no meaning in america
 

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i would argue theyre both center right but hilary is left of biden. I mean what economically was Hilary going to do that was left wing? what foreign policy of hers was left ? left has no meaning in america

I would say Bernie and Progressive have certainly redefined what Left is in America. Establishment Dems are definitely right of Progressives.

The entire US democratic party is center left. :upsetfavre:

I don't think you'll have many people agreeing with you on that. Especially if you're looking at the party pre-2015.
 

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I would say Bernie and Progressive have certainly redefined what Left is in America. Establishment Dems are definitely right of Progressives.



I don't think you'll have many people agreeing with you on that. Especially if you're looking at the party pre-2015.
sort of, i would say the establishment redefined left and progressives are just going back to what it means internationally. theres nothing left about the dems, they like gays and are pro choice. theyre not as far right as repubs but repubs are not a real party. theyre all center right. progressives are center left at best and treated as communists
 

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i would argue theyre both center right but hilary is left of biden. I mean what economically was Hilary going to do that was left wing? what foreign policy of hers was left ? left has no meaning in america

clearly didn't read her platform or listen to her speak

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clearly didn't read her platform or listen to her speak

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so she was going to stop wars or did she want a no fly zone over syria? was she going to stand up to wall street or dd she privately say the rich are being discriminated against? go back in your centrist hole , hope you arent offended at my mansplaining :russ:
 

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Bernie hired people who share his ideology but not necessarily the best strategists. Also, I think it's limitations in the person. Bernie will never be as likeable as Warren. He's a curmegedon dude. Even when he laughs it comes off mad fake. What does Brianha Joy know about running a campaign? He should have come out hard on stating issues for African-Americans. He let Warren undercut him. If he doesn't fix this then he needs to drop out and back Warren after Iowa or New Hampshire. He's fukking up clearly.

I think where Bernie screwed up with Black voters was him telling us our issues we wanted to discuss and should be fixed were being "divisive" and then hiding behind marching with MLK as a way to say, "See, I like you people. Haven't I done enough for ya'll?!" It went downhill from there and I think for Black voters that immediately turned them off because they witnessed him going hard for transgenders, immigrants, and everybody else specifically EXCEPT Black people.

I wish somebody in Bernie's camp remind him that while gaining White working class votes, you don't have to do it at our expense because we're still the critical voting base on how far a Democrat can go.
 

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lol at bernie dropping out now, its maaaddd early. and hes not even doing bad among minorities
 

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I'm actually considering which is worse. Biden is giving Hillary a run for her money with how horrible he is on policies and past legislative career.
its closer than the centrists in here want to act but i still think biden is worse, biden MAY be more likeable to some people for whatever reason but thats the only way i could see him outperforming hilary even though i dont think he will at all
 
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