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Should she even bother with the primaries or drop out now?

What's best for her is to see how the early states go. What's best for my preferences would be dropping out since I think a majority of her support will go to Bernie. But none of that changes the fact that what's states in those comments from Bernie's camp is completely benign.
 

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What's best for her is to see how the early states go. What's best for my preferences would be dropping out since I think a majority of her support will go to Bernie. But none of that changes the fact that what's states in those comments from Bernie's camp is completely benign.

lol k

If you have time tonight can you promise me that you will convey your feelings to her campaign. Have a good one
 

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Warren isn’t an elitist. I agree that it’s BS.

But a good amount of her support is a lot of upper class white liberals. That’s just in the data. It’s the same group Pete is relying on. Which is why he went after her.
I mean Bernie is relying on the most liberal voters, working class and young people, people who are also already part of the dem voting base. His hope is pulling over independents and winning back obama-trumpers, but the core of his support comes from people who’d otherwise vote dem. Seems silly to point fingers at folks for polling well with part of the base when you’re not only doing the same but also not polling well with the other half of the base.
 

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1. Fam, anyone who subscribes to the idea that this election will be a turnout based election ought to be open to the idea that the best option will be whoever turns out the widest variety of voters. The person with the broadest reach is the best option under that supposition. Now you could argue that for everyone Sanders brings in, he'll lose the same amount. Or that Warren's ability to speak to and distill policy in a relatable way more than makes up for that concern. But if we look at polling data, there's no lie here.

For both 2 and 3, I'd argue that you're speaking to a minority of her support. While the statement being pushed is one that applies to the broad majority of her support.

2. We've got plenty of polling on what occupations support each candidate. Obviously it's not 100% highly educated. But the biggest donor demographic and the biggest section of her support overall comes from the field of educated. There's nothing wrong with that. The only concern here is that, highly educated people have been a part of the party for a while. So if we're concerned with getting more people to show up to the polls, then we'd target new voters. It's a strategy argument but not an insult to anyone.

3. Of course this is true. Not all voters for any primary candidate ever will vote for the person that beats their preferred candidate. But according to historical precedent it's rarely above 10% of those primary supporters (exception being Clinton supporters when she lost to Obama). Also, I think that the loss to Trump and his past 4 years have made it even more likely that a vast majority of people who vote in the primary will make sure to vote for whoever wins that primary. I fully admit this last bit is speculation.

Here's my thing though...none of this is an insult to Warren supporters. There's a purposeful comment made at the front that she's our second choice. That also does not apply to all Bernie supporters, but the vast majority of us recognize her value and support her as the next best option. The idea that Bernie brings more newcomers to the party and can have a bigger impact is the safest difference you can draw without attacking her or her support. It draws a simple distinction in Bernie's ability to appeal to Independents (He's not a democrat right?). And it manages to both acknowledge Warren as the second best option should Bernie drop out while also making an appeal to consider him the more electable candidate. What more could you ask for from a competitor in this race? What is he supposed to say? He's not gonna have "vote for Warren, that's fine."


You got me in the first half, I’ll admit it. But to ultimately defend Warren defeats any purpose of your entire argument.

Her base is pseudo educated ppl. Most of the ppl that support her don’t actually have any skin in what she’s selling. They’re formally/self educated

They just want to feel like they made society better.

But you can’t fake that shyt. Written up policies you pass Among your friends is great in principle but it doesn’t actually resonate with the working class.

The working class of America is about to explode with anger. That’s the base of our party.

Warren can express policy to ppl like supposedly educated ppl. But she lies when trying to speak in simpler terms like 2% wealth tax, with an extra 2 cents and another extra 2 cents. That’s patronizing like a mothercucker.

Biden and Bernie don’t lie. Bernie admits he’ll figure it out when he needs to, Biden increases taxes against every company loophole rich ppl have with a concrete percentage.
 

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propose a better ticket. I guarantee you can't :mjlol:
You think tulsi is a good look on the dem presidential ticket? :dahell:

she’s not only polling low af, she’s turned a good 80% of Dems against her. What dem voter is jumping to vote tulsi into any part of the White House? Hell, her current showing is due in part to republicans :dead:
 
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@Warren Moon warm up that Biden bus for me in case my Warren ride shows up late.
:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

Deep down you know the Biden camp is your home. Especially when Obama makes that endorsement.

I can't wait for the Bernie/Biden wars on here over the next few months. :wow::wow::wow:
 

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Anyone? of course I'd disagree. She's so good rhetorically that I think she can convince people to come over. But if we go by the numbers, it's not a large enough constituency to carry the primary. My personal belief has always been that her incredible gift for explaining policy has made bolder policy more palatable to the Democrat base that had been moderate before hearing her. That's a really valuable asset to have. But the argument here would be that her approach sacrifices some newcomers in the name of appealing to the current base. Like I mentioned in my last post, the best response I can think of and one which I can't argue beyond some speculation, would be that for every newcome Bernie brings in he'll lose someone closer to the center of the party. I don't agree with that, but it's fair game.
That’s really interesting y’all seem so secure in this being the case, y’all are willing to gamble on these mythical new voters while propping a candidate that moderates and centrists, clearly important wings of the party, don’t really fukk with.

Maybe I’m a pessimist, but these ”democratic elite”, centrists, etc can weather living in a trump world for 4 more years better than bernie’s coalition, seems dangerous to bet on winning without them. They won’t be the ones to suffer as much if they decide not to fall in line
 

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You got me in the first half, I’ll admit it. But to ultimately defend Warren defeats any purpose of your entire argument.

Her base is pseudo educated ppl. Most of the ppl that support her don’t actually have any skin in what she’s selling. They’re formally/self educated

They just want to feel like they made society better.

But you can’t fake that shyt. Written up policies you pass Among your friends is great in principle but it doesn’t actually resonate with the working class.

The working class of America is about to explode with anger. That’s the base of our party.

Warren can express policy to ppl like supposedly educated ppl. But she lies when trying to speak in simpler terms like 2% wealth tax, with an extra 2 cents and another extra 2 cents. That’s patronizing like a mothercucker.

Biden and Bernie don’t lie. Bernie admits he’ll figure it out when he needs to, Biden increases taxes against every company loophole rich ppl have with a concrete percentage.
The fukk is formally self educated? nikkas making up phrases to sound like they’re saying something
 

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That’s really interesting y’all seem so secure in this being the case, y’all are willing to gamble on these mythical new voters while propping a candidate that moderates and centrists, clearly important wings of the party, don’t really fukk with.

Maybe I’m a pessimist, but these ”democratic elite”, centrists, etc can weather living in a trump world for 4 more years better than bernie’s coalition, seems dangerous to bet on winning without them. They won’t be the ones to suffer as much if they decide not to fall in line

You bolded that part but right after, I said I don't agree with that belief. I just think it's the best response to Bernie's strategy because I can't deny that it's possible. I actually expect the numbers to fall into typical voter norms from primary to general. If anything, I'd expect the numbers to warp in a manner where more primary voters side with the party in the general because of who Trump is. I don't think that the opposite will happen, but I fully admit it's possible that it does.

When we look at historical precedent though, it ought to be around 90% of the primary voters who end up voting for the Democrat no mater who he is. I know on my end that I'll be doing that even if it's one of the guys I can't stand. Typically my states blue, so a protest vote wouldn't matter but I'm not risking it.
 
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You got me in the first half, I’ll admit it. But to ultimately defend Warren defeats any purpose of your entire argument.

Her base is pseudo educated ppl. Most of the ppl that support her don’t actually have any skin in what she’s selling. They’re formally/self educated

They just want to feel like they made society better.

But you can’t fake that shyt. Written up policies you pass Among your friends is great in principle but it doesn’t actually resonate with the working class.

The working class of America is about to explode with anger. That’s the base of our party.

Warren can express policy to ppl like supposedly educated ppl. But she lies when trying to speak in simpler terms like 2% wealth tax, with an extra 2 cents and another extra 2 cents. That’s patronizing like a mothercucker.

Biden and Bernie don’t lie. Bernie admits he’ll figure it out when he needs to, Biden increases taxes against every company loophole rich ppl have with a concrete percentage.
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