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Besides Matt Karp and perhaps Megan Day on occasion, I just feel like there's such a closed mindedness with Bhaskar and them.

Like yes, I'm for Bernie, and of course Jacobin is for Bernie this cycle obviously, but my God, some of shid against Warren is ridiculous. Yes, there's a difference but the portrayal of her throughout the magazine as Hillary 2.0 is some BS.
 

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you’re really showing you don’t know what you’re talking about. There’s a reason Reagan gets his own brand of economics, so yes, the dem party most definitely ended up to the right of Carter :what:


It’s quite funny that you seem to not even understand how and where the (YOUR) centrist identity was formed

to your point about being a “black progressive”, this is also laughable given your support of centrist politics. On the one hand you argue these centrists do this to work across party lines, it’s the pragmatic thing to do to get shyt done, then espouse “black progressivism” as if that’s more pragmatic than having an economically progressive platform that affects a larger swath of people and thus has more appeal.

Yes, black people deserve to have their oppression rectified, but in the same way you champion reaching across the aisle to move things forward, blacks people have to as well. A progressive economic platform for all certainly helps us more than voting for candidates who enact right wing lite policy that continues to oppress us.

They are Centrist policies to you!

I was posting about the racist structure of m4all and the needed for funding pre implementation in black communities, the return of the majority funding for minority colleges going back to hbcus, the majority of African Americans going to school for free under Biden plan for 4 years. :sas2:


All black progressive goals that will be completed under the bs “centrism” umbrella ur trying to say it falls under.

there’s a fundamental difference between black progressivism and Bernie/Warren progressivism. U can miss me with that all for one, one for one bs.

Based off your posts idk if ur really even a progressive. :russ: I think u just blindly follow whatever ideas white ppl say is “currently progressive” :mjlol:


You post no opinions of your own, just regurgitated hipster cac Twitter bullshyt
 

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They are Centrist policies to you!

I was posting about the racist structure of m4all and the needed for funding pre implementation in black communities, the return of the majority funding for minority colleges going back to hbcus, the majority of African Americans going to school for free under Biden plan for 4 years. :sas2:


All black progressive goals that will be completed under the bs “centrism” umbrella ur trying to say it falls under.

there’s a fundamental difference between black progressivism and Bernie/Warren progressivism. U can miss me with that all for one, one for one bs.

Based off your posts idk if ur really even a progressive. :russ: I think u just blindly follow whatever ideas white ppl say is “currently progressive” :mjlol:


You post no opinions of your own, just regurgitated hipster cac Twitter bullshyt
You’ve regurgitated everything Biden told you. I’ve looked at 70 some odd years of history to understand macroeconomics and politics to see how things have shifted. You keep coming back to the people running when I’m conversing about ideology which is much bigger than any of these individuals. Bro, you have no clue what you’re talking about, you continue to pivot from the facts, you clearly have no clue of how the dem party got to where it is now...yea, we’re done.

edit: and miss me with the twitter cac stuff, I’m on record in this exact thread calling people out on Twitter echo chambers. And no, I’m not a progressive as I think political labeling is a big reason people don’t think critically issue by issue and end up voting based on ID and not ideas. I’d be an independent if California were a state that allowed independents to vote in primaries, but they don’t so for that reason I’m a registered Democrat. Where I stand on things is a product of my fully formed individual opinion, who I back is based on who is closest to my stances and their likely effectiveness as a leader
 
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Besides Matt Karp and perhaps Megan Day on occasion, I just feel like there's such a closed mindedness with Bhaskar and them.

Like yes, I'm for Bernie, and of course Jacobin is for Bernie this cycle obviously, but my God, some of shid against Warren is ridiculous. Yes, there's a difference but the portrayal of her throughout the magazine as Hillary 2.0 is some BS.
Ok. I haven’t seen those articles about Warren. I just follow them on twitter and read their shyt when an article pops up catches my interest.
 

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You’ve regurgitated everything Biden told you. I’ve looked at 70 some odd years of history to understand macroeconomics and politics to see how things have shifted. You keep coming back to the people running when I’m conversing about ideology which is much bigger than any of these individuals. Bro, you have no clue what you’re talking about, you continue to pivot from the facts, you clearly have no clue of how the dem party got to where it is now...yea, we’re done.

Ideology "Black Progressivism" is a distinct and separate movement. its been that way for decades.

You tried to say the Dem party was more progressive under Jimmy Carter. The guy who literally told the Dems' not to veer too far left last year, and had "moderate" civil rights goals. "Former President Jimmy Carter sees little hope for the U.S. to change its human rights and environmental policies as long as Donald Trump is in the White House, but he has a warning for his fellow Democrats looking to oust the current administration: Don't go too far to the left."

You're literally making up shyt up. Jimmy Carter ran on cutting spending in the federal government and reducing the federal deficit, forcing people on welfare to work.

A shining fukking Progressive president right there. :mjlol:


You're literally trying to make up US history to prove a point you're clearly wrong about.
 

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Besides Matt Karp and perhaps Megan Day on occasion, I just feel like there's such a closed mindedness with Bhaskar and them.

Like yes, I'm for Bernie, and of course Jacobin is for Bernie this cycle obviously, but my God, some of shid against Warren is ridiculous. Yes, there's a difference but the portrayal of her throughout the magazine as Hillary 2.0 is some BS.
my nikka...

you were posting this same shyt until literally made a few weeks ago
 

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Ideology "Black Progressivism" is a distinct and separate movement. its been that way for decades.

You tried to say the Dem party was more progressive under Jimmy Carter. The guy who literally told the Dems' not to veer too far left last year, and had "moderate" civil rights goals. "Former President Jimmy Carter sees little hope for the U.S. to change its human rights and environmental policies as long as Donald Trump is in the White House, but he has a warning for his fellow Democrats looking to oust the current administration: Don't go too far to the left."

You're literally making up shyt up. Jimmy Carter ran on cutting spending in the federal government and reducing the federal deficit, forcing people on welfare to work.

A shining fukking Progressive president right there. :mjlol:


You're literally trying to make up US history to prove a point you're clearly wrong about.
The party is further right than carter, do you even understand how a not as progressive Carter came to be? I didn’t hold him up as an example of progressivism. No, he wasn’t as progressive and FDR and LBJ, that doesn’t mean the party couldn’t move right, because it did. What the hell are you even talking about at this point? :mindblown:

Do you also not understand momentum? From 68-92 carter was the only dem in office, that’s 20 years of right wing policy, policy that took a hard heavy righthand turn under Reagan and a dem leader in Clinton who kept Dems aligned to the third way - ie conservativism/centrism.

it’s completely not even debatable that dem party is further right than it was in 76. That’s why you’re crying every day, progressives are standing up and trying to move it back left. But you’d rather keep chasing after republican titty as they move further right “let’s compromise in their favor”
 
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I'm going to start doing research on Pete. I've accepted that everybody born pre-1980 will have to die off before we elect a woman prez. I can't get jiggy w/ Biden.

 

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Besides Matt Karp and perhaps Megan Day on occasion, I just feel like there's such a closed mindedness with Bhaskar and them.

Like yes, I'm for Bernie, and of course Jacobin is for Bernie this cycle obviously, but my God, some of shid against Warren is ridiculous. Yes, there's a difference but the portrayal of her throughout the magazine as Hillary 2.0 is some BS.
Bruh even Ezra Klein was calling out Nathan Robinson over this shyt on a recent podcast. Nathan Robinson’s case for socialism


They're insufferable right now over Sanders and attacking Warren over every goddamn thing.
 

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The party is further right than carter, do you even understand how a not as progressive Carter came to be? I didn’t hold him up as an example of progressivism. No, he wasn’t as progressive and FDR and LBJ, that doesn’t mean the party couldn’t move right, because it did. What the hell are you even talking about at this point? :mindblown:

Do you also not understand momentum? From 68-92 carter was the only dem in office, that’s 20 years of right wing policy, policy that took a hard heavy righthand turn under Reagan and a dem leader in Clinton who kept Dems aligned to the third way - ie conservativism/centrism.

it’s completely not even debatable that dem party is further right than it was in 76. That’s why you’re crying every day, progressives are standing up and trying to move it back left. But you’d rather keep chasing after republican titty as they move further right “let’s compromise in their favor”

The party is to the left of Carter and Clinton. You're just making shyt up.
 

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I'm going to start doing research on Pete. I've accepted that everybody born pre-1980 will have to die off before we elect a woman prez. I can't get jiggy w/ Biden.


I don’t understand how you can’t back Biden but would consider Pete...:huhldup: there’s a ton wrong with him, but the biggest issue is he’s bought and paid for and stands for nothing. That will be a corporate rule presidency if there ever was one
 

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The party is to the left of Carter and Clinton. You're just making shyt up.
Pull up any academic or journalistic article stating that. I can pull up literally hundreds of sources backing my posts including an Obama who admitted Reagan might have been to the left of him...there’s a reason the term Reagan Democrats exists.

edit...to the left of carter. Clinton is the person at the end of the move right, it’s has moved leftward since his time in office...don’t try to get slick and mix the inflection points or wash away the outcome of Clinton’s political philosophy
 
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Pull up any academic or journalistic article stating that. I can pull up literally hundreds of sources backing my posts including an Obama who admitted Reagan might have been to the left of him...there’s a reason the term Reagan Democrats exists.

edit...to the left of carter. Clinton is the person at the end of the move right, it’s has moved leftward since his time in office...don’t try to get slick and mix the inflection points or wash away the outcome of Clinton’s political philosophy

Wait you think Reagan Democrats are called that bc they aligned of his liberal/left policies?

Jesus christ man :francis:

Reagan Democrats are dems that left bc they had more conservative social values that aligned with Reagans social values. :why:
 
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