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i have far more respect for biden being realistic about having to work with republicans, than liz and bernie insulting my intelligence by pretending they can push M4A through the House when they wouldn't even be able to push it through the establishment in their own party

biden is in general election mode, not democratic primary mode. and you can say what you want about that, but the general is the endgame :yeshrug:

this is a master class. PAY ATTENTION
Bro shut the fukk up. There is nothing master class about Biden and his defeatist mentality and bullshyt about working with Republicans after spending a decade in the White House where Congress was its least productive ever specifically because of Republicans. There is nothing master class about cruising through on name recognition. He is running the same campaign as Amy Klobuchar as an old white man and hoping black people in the south will win him the nomination. There will not be anything passed with Republicans and asserting that you will be doing anything with them is utter nonsense. Sanders and Warren’s idea of shaming them and constantly campaigning in their districts to see if their constituents will force their hands while using the executive branch where possible is much more realistic than Republicans coming to Jesus.
 

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Bro shut the fukk up. There is nothing master class about Biden and his defeatist mentality and bullshyt about working with Republicans after spending a decade in the White House where Congress was its least productive ever specifically because of Republicans. There is nothing master class about cruising through on name recognition. He is running the same campaign as Amy Klobuchar as an old white man and hoping black people in the south will win him the nomination. There will not be anything passed with Republicans and asserting that you will be doing anything with them is utter nonsense. Sanders and Warren’s idea of shaming them and constantly campaigning in their districts to see if their constituents will force their hands while using the executive branch where possible is much more realistic than Republicans coming to Jesus.

Biden’s leading among white people too. Y’all keep making up incorrect scenarios about how he’s riding solely on black ppl.

everybody likes Biden. He’s not polling 2nd in Iowa and New Hampshire bc of old black ppl.

It’s clear Biden’s running a primary race. He talks more about Trump than he does his democrat rivals.

and it’s not just bc of his name :usure:

the majority of ppl like the public option more than m4all

the majority of ppl support not having illegal immigration

:mindblown: The mental gymnastics y’all do is insane. How about convincing Bernie or Liz to actually produce policies that the majority of Americans want?
 

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Bro shut the fukk up. There is nothing master class about Biden and his defeatist mentality and bullshyt about working with Republicans after spending a decade in the White House where Congress was its least productive ever specifically because of Republicans. There is nothing master class about cruising through on name recognition. He is running the same campaign as Amy Klobuchar as an old white man and hoping black people in the south will win him the nomination. There will not be anything passed with Republicans and asserting that you will be doing anything with them is utter nonsense. Sanders and Warren’s idea of shaming them and constantly campaigning in their districts to see if their constituents will force their hands while using the executive branch where possible is much more realistic than Republicans coming to Jesus.
first of all, you know i was mocking napoleon with the master class comment right :dahell: of course biden isn't running a master class. he's running a fukkin 4 year campaign where the sole goal is to return to normalcy so we can elect a real candidate in 2024. that's what i'm signed up for, because i'd rather win with that than lose with communist-lite

the bottom line is, if bernie can't even beat biden in a free and open primary then there's zero shot he would have beaten trump :ehh:

if bernie beats biden in 2020, he has my vote for the presidency
 

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i have far more respect for biden being realistic about having to work with republicans, than liz and bernie insulting my intelligence by pretending they can push M4A through the House when they wouldn't even be able to push it through the establishment in their own party

biden is in general election mode, not democratic primary mode. and you can say what you want about that, but the general is the endgame :yeshrug:

this is a master class. PAY ATTENTION
My boy dropping the realness in here :wow:
 

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Well I’m not a white progressive. I’m a black progressive. We have completely different ideologies about progressivism. I’m not a trickle down progressive.


Again your idea about what centrist dems are YOUR ideas.

The Democratic Party shifted more right over the pst few decades. Jesus wtf are you talking about


From what basis point Jimmy Carter:russ:

The southern governor from Georgia was more progressive than Obama and Bill Clinton? :mjlol: You’re just making shyt up at this point.

:yeshrug:


To me he was.

Jimmy Carter caught some bad breaks. Always beefed with his Congress and got screwed by Reagan with the Iran hostage situation.
 

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First Congressional Black Caucus Member to Endorse Mayor Pete Tells MSNBC Black Voter Support Will ‘Increase Dramatically’

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Anthony Brown: Pete's Black Support Will 'Increase Dramatically'


Democratic Maryland Congressman Anthony Brown became the first member of the Congressional Black Caucus to endorse former South Bend Mayor Pete Buttigieg for president, and told MSNBC that he expects Pete’s support among black voters to “increase dramatically” as they become more “familiar” with him.

The Buttigieg campaign announced Rep. Brown’s endorsement in a press release Thursday, in which Brown said that Mayor Pete “can heal our divides and restore decency to our nation’s highest office,” and that as a veteran, “I am acutely aware that the top priority for the President should be the security and safety of our nation, which is why my choice for president is Mayor Pete Buttigieg.”

On Thursday morning’s edition of MSNBC Live With Hallie Jackson, anchor Hallie Jackson asked Rep. Brown about his endorsement, and about Buttigieg’s challenges in building support among black voters.

Rep. Brown told Jackson that he sees Buttigieg as “someone with an extraordinary intellect, certainly an understanding of a breadth of issues, a willingness to listen, and really a forward-looking approach to how we solve the many challenges that we are going to face on day one after the Trump administration.”

Jackson played a clip of The Root’s Jason Johnson dismissing the endorsement as unlikely to help significantly given Mayor Pete’s “own policies and his own behavior and his age,” and asked “What are you going to tell people, Congressman, who do you have those concerns about Buttigieg’s past policies?”

Brown said that Mayor Pete’s “biggest challenge” will be getting himself known to voters, and that “as he becomes more familiar in the African American community, just as he has has done in other communities, I believe that in listening to his message about empowering people, investments in education, very purposeful targeted investments — in health care particularly, considering the racial disparities in health care in our country — you’re going to see support increase dramatically for Pete Buttigieg.”

Jackson said “it would have to be pretty extremely dramatically, when you look at where the numbers are now,” and added that Mayor Pete “is polling at just 2% in that community, Joe Biden polling at 51%.”

“Obviously you would still have to build a coalition if you want to be the president and win the Democratic primary,” she said.

“And I think that’s where Pete’s strength is, it’s building coalitions,” Rep. Brown said, citing Buttigieg’s work as mayor of South Bend.

“So I think when he takes that experience, eight years as a mayor, and he couples that with the forward-looking vision, he’ll be very attractive to the African American community as he becomes more familiar in our community,” Brown said.

Buttigieg is in fourth place nationally and at or near the lead in Iowa and New Hampshire, but as Jackson noted, has remained mired in low single-digits with black voters. He has received support from some local black leaders in South Bend, but not all of them.
 

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Well I’m not a white progressive. I’m a black progressive. We have completely different ideologies about progressivism. I’m not a trickle down progressive.


Again your idea about what centrist dems are YOUR ideas.

The Democratic Party shifted more right over the pst few decades. Jesus wtf are you talking about


From what basis point Jimmy Carter:russ:

The southern governor from Georgia was more progressive than Obama and Bill Clinton? :mjlol: You’re just making shyt up at this point.
you’re really showing you don’t know what you’re talking about. There’s a reason Reagan gets his own brand of economics, so yes, the dem party most definitely ended up to the right of Carter :what:

The Clinton election was a crucial turning point in a transformation of the Democratic Party that has lasted to this day, more than a quarter of a century later. As the Republicans shifted to the right, metamorphosing from perfunctory defenders of corporate America to rabid zealots for unregulated markets and minimal government, the Democrats followed in their wake.
It’s quite funny that you seem to not even understand how and where the (YOUR) centrist identity was formed

to your point about being a “black progressive”, this is also laughable given your support of centrist politics. On the one hand you argue these centrists do this to work across party lines, it’s the pragmatic thing to do to get shyt done, then espouse “black progressivism” as if that’s more pragmatic than having an economically progressive platform that affects a larger swath of people and thus has more appeal.

Yes, black people deserve to have their oppression rectified, but in the same way you champion reaching across the aisle to move things forward, blacks people have to as well. A progressive economic platform for all certainly helps us more than voting for candidates who enact right wing lite policy that continues to oppress us.
 
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