2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[AnonymityX1000]

No ones going into War with Iran with a pacifist, non-interventionist President like Bernie. Thats not reality.

Bernie only wins if we're not already at war and theres a chance for reconciliation, which ATM, looks like we're way passed that time.

I agree that Americans are tired of war. I dont think thats gonna push them over the edge to back down though.

I think @FAH1223 is right. Usually you would be but more war is just extremely unpopular across the political spectrum.

 

[King Kreole]

It's interesting to see Liz's entire team praise Castro after he dropped out. There was definitely some behind the scenes action going on between those two camps.

 

[King Kreole]

I think @FAH1223 is right. Usually you would be but more war is just extremely unpopular across the political spectrum.

It'll depend on how good the Trump administration is at ginning up a pretext. If Iranian proxies executed an attack inside the US or killed a bunch of soldiers, then I think you're gonna start to see a lot of that unpopularity dissipate.

 

[FAH1223]

No ones going into War with Iran with a pacifist, non-interventionist President like Bernie. Thats not reality.

Bernie only wins if we're not already at war and theres a chance for reconciliation, which ATM, looks like we're way passed that time.

I agree that Americans are tired of war. I dont think thats gonna push them over the edge to back down though.

Considering more Americans are materially worse off than they were in the First Gulf War (which ironically didn't lead to GWB's re-election in 1992) and the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars during W. Bush term, I think Bernie's message will resonate big time. Remember, 3/4 of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, half can't handle a $500 emergency, and healthcare is expensive AF and people are legit dying cause of that.

Breh, do you know that Bernie has received the most donations from people within the military during this election cycle? Yes, more than Trump.

Military Times has done polls and Trump's popularity is sinking within the armed forces. I work with a guy at my side job and he works in DOD right now, fought in the Gulf War, and he tells me some of the crazy shid happening right now and how people are getting low on morale. In his case, Army Corps of Engineers.

 

[ill]

With trump yes

With a totally different administration? Who knows. Too early to tell

You can't take back this assassination. You can't take back our invasion of Iraq, our presence in Syria, our military bases in the ME surrounding Iran.

Trump might be the short-term issue but the the long-term issues expand well beyond the Trump admin.

Iran has consistently attacked our interests since the 80's and thats not going to stop until they get everything that they want, which will never ever happen.

Obama tried to be nice to Iran. They used his kindness to fund insurgencies in Yemen, Iraq, and elsewhere around the region.

The best Bernie or any candidate could do at this point is to kick the bucket down the road a bit more. Unless we're withdrawing completely from the Middle East, this conflict was unavoidable.

 

[ill]

Considering more Americans are materially worse off than they were in the First Gulf War (which ironically didn't lead to GWB's re-election in 1992) and the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars during W. Bush term, I think Bernie's message will resonate big time. Remember, 3/4 of Americans are living paycheck to paycheck, half can't handle a $500 emergency, and healthcare is expensive AF and people are legit dying cause of that.

Breh, do you know that Bernie has received the most donations from people within the military during this election cycle? Yes, more than Trump.

Military Times has done polls and Trump's popularity is sinking within the armed forces. I work with a guy at my side job and he works in DOD right now, fought in the Gulf War, and he tells me some of the crazy shid happening right now and how people are getting low on morale. In his case, Army Corps of Engineers.

I fully agree with you that Americans are tired of war and that may translate into anti-war momentum on the national stage. However, I strongly disagree with you about the power that the public has on the military industrial complex. They do what they want. The public takes it. Thats how its gonna go no matter what wishful thinking we all have. Americans might be living paycheck to paycheck, but they also strongly support their troops and if Iran is center stage killing our troops, thats more than enough to gain the public support to "fix" the issue, IMO.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

It'll depend on how good the Trump administration is at ginning up a pretext. If Iranian proxies executed an attack inside the US or killed a bunch of soldiers, then I think you're gonna start to see a lot of that unpopularity dissipate.

Good point, new information/occurrences can tip the scale drastically either way.

 

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[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Possibly, but war is a very powerful drug. Advocating for immediately withdrawing will get spun as cowardly, quitting, refusing to protect and defend America, scared of using force, etc. That's an incredibly difficult hill to climb for anyone, but especially someone with Bernie's background. Expect to see his previous defenses of American "enemies" and criticisms of American foreign policy to be heavily promoted.

Honestly, how far are you willing to go to prevent iran from getting nukes?

 

[FAH1223]

I fully agree with you that Americans are tired of war and that may translate into anti-war momentum on the national stage. However, I strongly disagree with you about the power that the public has on the military industrial complex. They do what they want. The public takes it. Thats how its gonna go no matter what wishful thinking we all have. Americans might be living paycheck to paycheck, but they also strongly support their troops and if Iran is center stage killing our troops, thats more than enough to gain the public support to "fix" the issue, IMO.

Americans support the troops of course. But I really think recent history has many people wondering WTF are we doing there in the first place.

You can't take back this assassination. You can't take back our invasion of Iraq, our presence in Syria, our military bases in the ME surrounding Iran.

Trump might be the short-term issue but the the long-term issues expand well beyond the Trump admin.

Iran has consistently attacked our interests since the 80's and thats not going to stop until they get everything that they want, which will never ever happen.

Obama tried to be nice to Iran. They used his kindness to fund insurgencies in Yemen, Iraq, and elsewhere around the region.

The best Bernie or any candidate could do at this point is to kick the bucket down the road a bit more. Unless we're withdrawing completely from the Middle East, this conflict was unavoidable.

Obama had the right approach. Bush should have listened to the Europeans, Russians, and Chinese in 2005 and negotiated a Nuclear Deal then. For example, if a deal was made with Iran in 2005, when it was begging for it, Iranian oil and gas and Qatari oil and gas could have supplied Europe and sidelined Russia if you wanted to keep US hegemony

Also, Iranian Shia militias weren't killing US troops for the last 8 years. They were actually fighting on the same side as the US against ISIS the last 3-4 years

More engagement with Iran is a good thing. I'd rather have the Secretary of State be able to call up Zarif to get things done and lower tensions.

Now, the proxies around the region are a problem for US interests. But we really going to fight them in 5 different theatres in perpetuity? Not even Israel wants another war with Hezbollah.

 

[King Kreole]

Honestly, how far are you willing to go to prevent iran from getting nukes?

imo the end goal shouldn't be denying Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities, it should be doing what we can to help bring peace to the region. but fundamentally I don't view this as a puzzle for America to play the lead role in solving.

 

[Warren Moon]

imo the end goal shouldn't be denying Iran from obtaining nuclear capabilities, it should be doing what we can to help bring peace to the region. but fundamentally I don't view this as a puzzle for America to play the lead role in solving.

Im fully against war. But Iran having nukes would be chaos in that region.


So many groups would attempt to overthrow them just to get the nukes. When u talk about nukes in Iran, you have to factor In All combative entities in the region potentially getting those nukes. We can never let that happen

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Im fully against war. But Iran having nukes would be chaos in that region.


So many groups would attempt to overthrow them just to get the nukes. When u talk about nukes in Iran, you have to factor In All combative entities in the region potentially getting those nukes. We can never let that happen

we're all against war

iran with nukes is a problem

 

[King Kreole]

Im fully against war. But Iran having nukes would be chaos in that region.


So many groups would attempt to overthrow them just to get the nukes. When u talk about nukes in Iran, you have to factor In All combative entities in the region potentially getting those nukes. We can never let that happen

I didn't mean to insinuate that I'm in favor of a nuclear Iran. I believe all nuclear weapons in every country's arsenal should be dismantled. I just don't think the centrality of American presence in all of these regions and conflicts is a good thing. I don't think there's any justification for America to impose her will on every nation across the world, especially when our aims there are to extract economic wealth from these countries to their detriment. Ideally, I'd like to see an organization like the UN replace most of the American presence in these foreign places.

 

[Blackfyre]

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