2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races

[storyteller]

I think this will play out to Bernie's advantage. He has the rhetorical clarity and record to win foreign policy debates.

My FB timeline got me worried fam. More propaganda than I expected to see. People with no clue think this was a flex.

 

[FAH1223]

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

 

[Shikamaru]

 

[ill]

I think this will play out to Bernie's advantage. He has the rhetorical clarity and record to win foreign policy debates.

Americans have stood by the incumbent during the last 30 years of war. If we're at a standstill, it may help Bernie. If we're already at war, this destroys his chances.

 

[King Kreole]

My FB timeline got me worried fam. More propaganda than I expected to see. People with no clue think this was a flex.

Yeah I'm seeing a bit of that too

But I trust that if Bernie is allowed to get into his bag on this, he will crush it. His sights are lined up, he just needs to take the shot. I'd love to see him give a big foreign policy speech or something.

 

[King Kreole]

Americans have stood by the incumbent during the last 30 years of war. If we're at a standstill, it may help Bernie. If we're already at war, this destroys his chances.

Yeah I think there's some truth to this. A hot war would change the dynamics pretty dramatically. Bernie's dovish position could get construed as weakness and anti-patriotic if there are American soldiers engaging with Iranian forces and he's talking about how bad America has been, even though he would be correct.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Americans have stood by the incumbent during the last 30 years of war. If we're at a standstill, it may help Bernie. If we're already at war, this destroys his chances.

Yeah I think there's some truth to this. A hot war would change the dynamics pretty dramatically. Bernie's dovish position could get construed as weakness and anti-patriotic if there are American soldiers engaging with Iranian forces and he's talking about how bad America has been, even though he would be correct.

Nah there would be a strong interest in withdrawing and ending it before it got too ugly

 

[ill]

Nah there would be a strong interest in withdrawing and ending it before it got too ugly

I think you overestimate the power that the public has on the military industrial complex. This has been in the works for two decades - shout out to the prophecy of Wesley Clark.

If we're in limbo like we are right now, I think it gives Bernie some points. If he can find a peaceful way out, thats a positive.

If Iran is actively attacking our bases and interests, Bernie talking withdrawal will be seen as the ultimate weakness. Iran has been playing for keeps since the invasion of Iraq. Its time we did the same.

Imagine Iran destroys our military bases in Saudi Arabia or the UAE and then Bernie goes "Hey lets withdraw from the ME and Iran will stop attacking us"...No ones gonna buy that shyt

 

[King Kreole]

Nah there would be a strong interest in withdrawing and ending it before it got too ugly

Possibly, but war is a very powerful drug. Advocating for immediately withdrawing will get spun as cowardly, quitting, refusing to protect and defend America, scared of using force, etc. That's an incredibly difficult hill to climb for anyone, but especially someone with Bernie's background. Expect to see his previous defenses of American "enemies" and criticisms of American foreign policy to be heavily promoted.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

I think you overestimate the power that the public has on the military industrial complex. This has been in the works for two decades - shout out to the prophecy of Wesley Clark.

If we're in limbo like we are right now, I think it gives Bernie some points. If he can find a peaceful way out, thats a positive.

If Iran is actively attacking our bases and interests, Bernie talking withdrawal will be seen as the ultimate weakness. Iran has been playing for keeps since the invasion of Iraq. Its time we did the same.

Imagine Iran destroys our military bases in Saudi Arabia or the UAE and then Bernie goes "Hey lets withdraw from the ME and Iran will stop attacking us"...No ones gonna buy that shyt

That i can agree with

It depends on if or how much this escalates

If its full blown war then it would really depend on bernies rhetoric.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

Possibly, but war is a very powerful drug. Advocating for immediately withdrawing will get spun as cowardly, quitting, refusing to protect and defend America, scared of using force, etc. That's an incredibly difficult hill to climb for anyone, but especially someone with Bernie's background. Expect to see his previous defenses of American "enemies" and criticisms of American foreign policy to be heavily promoted.

See my above post

 

[FAH1223]

Americans have stood by the incumbent during the last 30 years of war. If we're at a standstill, it may help Bernie. If we're already at war, this destroys his chances.

Big difference. We've been in Iraq for 17 years. Afghanistan for 19 years. Trillions of dollars wasted. Thousands of troops killed.

Do not underestimate a GE scenario where Bernie is doing big rallies in state after state with thousands of people hammering this home. The general public does not want new engagement in the region. And Bernie will correctly say that this President fanned the flames and started this escalation which is correct.

Also with Trump, his poll numbers have been generally stable no matter what happens. Wagging the dog and rallying around the flag ain't a slam dunk for him.

 

[ill]

Big difference. We've been in Iraq for 17 years. Afghanistan for 19 years. Trillions of dollars wasted.

Do not underestimate a GE scenario where Bernie is doing big rallies in state after state with thousands of people hammering this home. The general public does not want new engagement in the region.

Also with Trump, his poll numbers have been generally stable no matter what happens. Wagging the dog and rallying around the flag ain't a slam dunk for him.

No ones going into War with Iran with a pacifist, non-interventionist President like Bernie. Thats not reality.

Bernie only wins if we're not already at war and theres a chance for reconciliation, which ATM, looks like we're way passed that time.

I agree that Americans are tired of war. I dont think thats gonna push them over the edge to back down though.

 

[NkrumahWasRight Is Wrong]

No ones going into War with Iran with a pacifist, non-interventionist President like Bernie. Thats not reality.

Bernie only wins if we're not already at war and theres a chance for reconciliation, which ATM, looks like we're way passed that time.

With trump yes

With a totally different administration? Who knows. Too early to tell