JoogJoint
In my own league.
Maybe some of my fellow elders in this state are coming around to their common sense and thinking about their descendants' futures. I can only hope.
2020 Democratic Primary Thread: Focus on House & Senate races
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Maybe some of my fellow elders in this state are coming around to their common sense and thinking about their descendants' futures. I can only hope.
JoogJoint
In my own league.
I know what the left has in common: ignoring Black voters and our needs.
#blackprogressives
imagine the chinese government telling u, u got a F on the final exam and u never even took the test.
This is what they’re doing to Biden. He didn’t take the curves.
I think that’s a lie or at minimum a misrepresentation.
shyts too complicated for me to decipher what’s real or not, sometimeS
This thread damn near unreadable right now. 
Being too far left isn’t the reason Corbyn lost. For anyone to compare Corbyn to Liz is just ridiculous, and shows only surface level understanding of the UK and American politics.
First off Brexit played a major role in why he Corbyn lost. He had a confusing muddled message on Brexit. We don’t have to deal with a Brexit situation over here.
Second the Media labeled him as being antisemantic. Liz wouldn’t have that problem, and Bernie is Jewish himself, so he have more leeway to speak freely about Israel than most other people.
3rd people act like a moderate candidate didn’t just lose to Trump in 2016.
4th Liz is nowhere near as liberal as Corbyn. Corbyn is even to the left of Bernie.
The biggest parallel and warning should be, despite people not wanting to hear it, is the country is not as liberal as some of y'all would like to believe.
imagine the chinese government telling u, u got a F on the final exam and u never even took the test.
This is what they’re doing to Biden. He didn’t take the curves.
I think that’s a lie or at minimum a misrepresentation.
shyts too complicated for me to decipher what’s real or not, sometimeS
Grassroots progressive groups hate moderates, of course Liz will score high and Biden will score lower
Nope. As it was pointed out, it was an online poll. The least scientific of them all, means absolutely nothing.Maybe some of my fellow elders in this state are coming around to their common sense and thinking about their descendants' futures. I can only hope.
UK politics is much different than US politics so it is a bad example to use. Also it depends on what your definition of liberal is. I think it more complicated than the country being liberal or conservative. It really depends on the specific issue, and it is multiple variables that are overlooked. There are policies that the majority of the country supports, but might not play well with the Electoral College system, or the extreme gerrymandering of districts. We also got to take into consideration that the MSM shapes a lot of the policy discussion and it is completely corporate ran. The MSM has purposely tried to drive down the popularity of some progressive issues that poll well. That is why we need messengers that are realistic about political realities but are actively working on building support for some of these important issues.
I think it's simpler.
People like some progressive ideas, but they love their guns, their racism, their Jesus, and tribalism more. And are willing to sacrifice for it.
Most believe if things got bad enough they can vote for it, but don't see that as the case.
Besides its America, race always come before class.
The electoral college exists and it's not going anywhere.
I always go back and forth with these two guys I know from growing up. They're always talking about Trump, always talking about low unemployment, and all that jazz but they're both in their mid 30s living at home.
I probably make 2.5x as much as them combined, but they're always lecturing me on all it takes it getting a skill and you'll be on your way to a first class living.
Broad facts don't matter because they like the system. It's broken in a way that gives them an out if they ever decide to show initiative.
Trumpism is based around entitlement and maintaining that entitlement.
I probably make 2.5x as much as them combined, but they're always lecturing me on all it takes it getting a skill and you'll be on your way to a first class living.
Broad facts don't matter because they like the system. It's broken in a way that gives them an out if they ever decide to show initiative.
Trumpism is based around entitlement and maintaining that entitlement.
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sanders.
attacking.
democrats???
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Is.
sanders.
attacking.
democrats???
@wire28 @Th3G3ntleman @ezrathegreat @Jello Biafra @humble forever @Darth Nubian @Dameon Farrow @Piff Perkins @BigMoneyGrip @Lucky_Lefty @johnedwarduado @Armchair Militant @panopticon @88m3 @Tres Leches @ADevilYouKhow @dtownreppin214 @A.R.$
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Now this part I agree with. Black people are always stuck between a rock in a hard place (
) You have conservative Republicans who are basically outright White Supremacists, moderates democrats who try to meet these WS half way, and progressives who often ignore specific Black issues, and live in a fantasy world that once class is addressed there will be no racism.But we definitely disagree about how simple it is. Our system of government is extremely complex. For example you bring up guns. While most Americans don’t support taking people guns or banding them, the overwhelming majority of people in this country supports universal background checks. However, it still haven’t passed Congress due to NRA lobbying. It also depends on what area of the country you live in. I live in New York State which have some of the strictest gun laws in the country. (I should know because I have my gun license and it was a pain in the ass to get it here). I think the republicans and the media have done a good job in convincing us that the major population centers are not real America. The issue of guns are a lot closer than people think, but because of the Electoral College and gerrymandering the conservative position have been overly represented in our society.
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