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Oh, you don't have to convince me that MSNBC is pure shyt. It's the worst of #resistance dreck. And I agree that she can bounce back with the MSNBC lane precisely because they're so focused on the superficial stuff that enabled Pete to rise in the first place.
Co-sign TF outta this. We've seen this bump for Harris and Beto too. Warren rose slowly through those then popped for a minute and I look at this as an overcorrection the opposite way. But she'll go back to rising. I think her rebound will mimic Bernie's, the only bad thing is that he dip hit later in the cycle. But that could line up the enthusiasm rebound for right in time to pull the news cycle before the first primaries.
These are two fair points. She opened up that lane herself, but my point is that she is being battle-tested because of it. If she wins the nomination, it sure as hell won't have been a coronation, she'll have fought and earned it. Also, there's a difference between critiques (even bad-faith ones) against legitimate issues like her M4A transition and financing plan stuff and the type of conspiracy-theory mongering like the pregnancy smears and private practice stuff. The latter is what Trump specializes in and may get foregrounded in the election like it was last year with the Podesta emails and Pizzagate stuff.
I should have mentioned I was focusing on the front-runners, so I wasn't including Tusli or Yang. Hell, if everyone is included, I would say Marianne is probably the recipient of the most bad-faith attacks. And yeah, we saw Bernie dealing with more bad-faith smears and attacks back in 2016, but I think the play from the anti-Bernie forces this time around is to ignore him instead of confronting and attacking him. But that will change if he wins the Democratic nomination and the GOP starts dredging up dirt.
Got you fam and once you adjust for front runners (I'd assume top four making the cut), I'm inclined to agree. She also has my favorite bad faith attack of all time in the dude with the Triple X tattoo that said she had an affair with him. That didn't catch on, but Warren the Dominatrix was a hilarious attempt. In terms of the dirty shots, Warren has taken more BS starting with the Native American stuff (Boston Globe debunked years ago) and riding to now. Bernie's been dismissed or side swiped through attacks that pair the two. Warren has caught the additional crap and I'd add that her approach which has been well to the left of the Biden's and Pete's and also right of Bernie has created a realm where she can potentially get targeted by both bad faith leftist and centrist attacks.
Put it this way, I think Bernie and Warren heads should be ideological allies. But she's just right enough of Bernie for the more center leaning heads to antagonize the lefties and vice versa. That means a bad faith actor on one side draws an equally bad faith rebuttal on the other and we're off to the damned races with Nap and Berniewood alienating potential allies over Tad Devine and Native American jokes.
Bolded is an important point. I think the left generally suffers from the idea that their beliefs are more popular than they actually are. I'm not convinced at all that raising middle class taxes is something the general public will willingly swallow down with a glass of "overall costs will go down". I'm not convinced that eradicating private insurance will be as easy a sell as some on the left seem to think it will be. I'm not even sure the general public believes in new universal (truly universal, which means including black folks as well) policies very much, but I hope Pete getting smacked down on this proves the public is ready. These are positions Bernie holds that open him up as a target for bad faith smears and attacks. Whereas Bernie has been able to skate by on hammering his message on these, Liz has actually had to counter-punch. She's been hit and gotten up again. She has a proven chin. I think Bernie has one too, but I'm not as sure.
This definitely gets at the million dollar question for a Bernie run. I don't think it's popularity though, just exposure. My belief on this tip is that the enthusiasm of Bernie heads comes with a lot of canvassing, calling and recruiting pitches that has a lot of heads seeing the impact a conversation about these policies can have. It's a lot different debating these policies in some "gotcha" game on a forum than it is asking somebody what they're looking for and explaining how a Sanders or Warren plan can get them that security. Plus, you end up honing your messaging to the point that you can elevator pitch it and know exactly what questions are comings (my confidence about the payroll tax comes from "how will you pay for it" convos dating back to the last election cycle).
The bigger fear for me is how much poisoning of the well will happen. The bad faith stuff doubles up on these policies. The ACA got attacked for having Death Panels and a lot of people believed that BS. They'll try the same for any advancement, Public Option included. They already are according to the article that just got dropped in this thread about state legislators pushing out op-eds written by the same one dude repping the same one lobbying group (two dems and one republican). I got that ish fully transcribed in the Bernie thread too. That's the crap we're gonna need to counteract and it won't be easy regardless of what legislation we're fighting for. But that's also why I like the Universal Coverage aspect, it fits that elevator pitch I mentioned before.
Everyone gets coverage, every doctor is in network and it's cheaper according to even conservative think tanks.
If we can beat those home then most people will be willing to ask the clarifying questions that can at least open them up to the idea being possible. The wait times thing is the one I don't have a quick easy answer, but I usually go with anecdotes about how long I already have to wait to get an appointment with the dentist I prefer to see (and I throw in that I have to find a new one soon because my coverage is changing for good measure).