Bragg will likely start. Azubuike can't leave anyway he's only 16. It's gonna be intriguing to me see how OG does next year.
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Bragg will likely start. Azubuike can't leave anyway he's only 16. It's gonna be intriguing to me see how OG does next year.
Hawks better get Qi
Chinese Porzingis
Teams are definitely going to take a swing hoping he can be him -
7'2" in shoes 7'6.5" wingspan, he's only 209lbs which makes Kristaps seem like Brock Lesnar by comparison.
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Qi looks really good in Chinese league at his age his already one of the Better player. But keyword there is "Chinese league" so really hard to judge him. I like his potential but just tough to gauge
Jefferson is still playing a 5th year for them tho. I heard if bolden doesn't choose us that we've made up a lot of ground on Jarrett Allen...
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Talking about international players here are my all Euro teams for non draft eligible players.
Based on how much NBA potential they have. NOT necessarily the pure best European players. A few older guys that would probably be on this list. Also I didn't account for draft rights or contract situation. For example Saric's right belong to the Sixers and Dubljevic is supposedly signed to a long term deal with Valencia, anyway:
1st Team
C: Justin Hamilton - really dominated their first 30 games or so. Has slowed down a bit but he is only 26 and it's ridiculous how much better he is since his college days.
F: Daniel Theis - played for the wizards a little in the preseason and has NBA level athletic ability. He is 6'9 220 but he can shoot it and in today's NBA that to go with shot blocking should make him a useful player.
F: Dario Saric - he is more of a stretch 4 than a wing but there is a real lack of NBA level SFs in Europe so I put him here
G: Nando De Colo - easily the best player in Europe right now. He didn't get the PT on those extremely deep spurs teams but can certainly play in the league. Able to guard both guard positions, score and pass well. He is 28 and I've heard that CSKA has a deal that will keep him in Russia for most of his prime but if he was available, he'd be one of the first guys id check for.
PG: Milos Teodosic - him and De Colo are a deadly combo when they play together. I'm sure most of you have seen him in international competitions. A bit slow to guard NBA PGs but an incredibly skilled player. However, he is 30 now and I doubt he ever comes over. If he was available this simmer though, I'd give him a shot and play him next to a small 2 who can defend well.
2nd Team:
C: Alen Omic - 24 year old late bloomer who wasnt bery well known before a couple years ago when he looked like the 2nd best player besides Goran on the Slovenian NT. Not much D but really skilled around the basket and close to a legit 7 footer.
PF: Anthony Randolph - his injury issues have followed him to Europe but whenever he has been healthy he is dominant on both ends. He is like John Henson with a jumper. Certainly can play in the league if given the opportunity. I put Theis barelly over him because of the injuries and Randolph is 3 years older.
SF: Okaro White - coming into the draft out of Florida St, he was like 6'8 180 with no jumper but this year he has made huge strides on his jumper and is making threes at a good volume. He is still just 24 so I'd give him a shot, plus with the NBA getting smaller he can play some 4 also.
SG: Bogdan Bogdanovic - I believe the Suns still have his rights. He can def shoot and is a much better athlete than Bojan is (no relation). It's hard to judge defense against European teams and I'm not gonna sit here and say I watched dozens of his games this past season. It's unfair to evaluate perimeter defenders imo, unless you've watched at least 15 full games but from what I've seen he seems solid and certainly not as horrible as Bojan.
PG: Quim Colom - I do watch Russian league the most out of the domestic leagues, maybe even more than euroleague. I don't remember much about this guy until this year but he can really play. True PG who really understands how to run a team and plays D well enough within the team that he won't be totally exposed. I would take him over some of the more hyped Spanish guards like Llull, Ribas and even Rodriguez.
3rd Team:
C: Ante Tomic - Easily on of the best players in all of Europe. He is super skilled in the post and has terrific length and solid jumper which makes him a huge threat as a roll man. With every year that passes there is less of a chance he goes to the NBA. He just turned 29 and I believe he has a contract with Barcelona for at least another year.
PF: Bojan Dubljevic - really skilled 24 year old PF, whose rights belong to the Wolves but according to @tremonthustler1 he has several more years on his contract. He reminds me a little of Mirotic but he is less of a gunner and much more of an interior bruiser.
SF: Tomas Satoransky - I know he plays PG but he is 6'7 and probably would be a wing in the NBA. Good athlete and just makes big plays on offense. His jump shot has gotten a little more consistent every year as well. He is only 24 still.
SG: Alexey Shved - like I said the wings are pretty thin. Shved is a terrible defender but he is quick enough for the NBA and when he gets going can create his own and for others which isn't something you can say for a lot of people at the NBA level. I know it was the worst team in the NBA but he still put up pretty nice numbers on the Knicks. I do think he is getting payed better in russia than he would over here, plus he is at home and he is already 28 so I doubt he comes either.
PG: Errick McCollum - CJ's big brother has lead his team to the EuroCup finals. NOT quite as good of a shooter as CJ but how many people in the world are? Maybe 10? 20? He is also only about 6'1 but probably a better athlete than CJ is, I've seen him make some real highlight blocks and he has made several big shots this year. He is 28 now but I'm sure he'd love playing with his brother, the Blazers should give him a shot, they need a back up point unless I'm forgetting someone.
Based on how much NBA potential they have. NOT necessarily the pure best European players. A few older guys that would probably be on this list. Also I didn't account for draft rights or contract situation. For example Saric's right belong to the Sixers and Dubljevic is supposedly signed to a long term deal with Valencia, anyway:
1st Team
C: Justin Hamilton - really dominated their first 30 games or so. Has slowed down a bit but he is only 26 and it's ridiculous how much better he is since his college days.
F: Daniel Theis - played for the wizards a little in the preseason and has NBA level athletic ability. He is 6'9 220 but he can shoot it and in today's NBA that to go with shot blocking should make him a useful player.
F: Dario Saric - he is more of a stretch 4 than a wing but there is a real lack of NBA level SFs in Europe so I put him here
G: Nando De Colo - easily the best player in Europe right now. He didn't get the PT on those extremely deep spurs teams but can certainly play in the league. Able to guard both guard positions, score and pass well. He is 28 and I've heard that CSKA has a deal that will keep him in Russia for most of his prime but if he was available, he'd be one of the first guys id check for.
PG: Milos Teodosic - him and De Colo are a deadly combo when they play together. I'm sure most of you have seen him in international competitions. A bit slow to guard NBA PGs but an incredibly skilled player. However, he is 30 now and I doubt he ever comes over. If he was available this simmer though, I'd give him a shot and play him next to a small 2 who can defend well.
2nd Team:
C: Alen Omic - 24 year old late bloomer who wasnt bery well known before a couple years ago when he looked like the 2nd best player besides Goran on the Slovenian NT. Not much D but really skilled around the basket and close to a legit 7 footer.
PF: Anthony Randolph - his injury issues have followed him to Europe but whenever he has been healthy he is dominant on both ends. He is like John Henson with a jumper. Certainly can play in the league if given the opportunity. I put Theis barelly over him because of the injuries and Randolph is 3 years older.
SF: Okaro White - coming into the draft out of Florida St, he was like 6'8 180 with no jumper but this year he has made huge strides on his jumper and is making threes at a good volume. He is still just 24 so I'd give him a shot, plus with the NBA getting smaller he can play some 4 also.
SG: Bogdan Bogdanovic - I believe the Suns still have his rights. He can def shoot and is a much better athlete than Bojan is (no relation). It's hard to judge defense against European teams and I'm not gonna sit here and say I watched dozens of his games this past season. It's unfair to evaluate perimeter defenders imo, unless you've watched at least 15 full games but from what I've seen he seems solid and certainly not as horrible as Bojan.
PG: Quim Colom - I do watch Russian league the most out of the domestic leagues, maybe even more than euroleague. I don't remember much about this guy until this year but he can really play. True PG who really understands how to run a team and plays D well enough within the team that he won't be totally exposed. I would take him over some of the more hyped Spanish guards like Llull, Ribas and even Rodriguez.
3rd Team:
C: Ante Tomic - Easily on of the best players in all of Europe. He is super skilled in the post and has terrific length and solid jumper which makes him a huge threat as a roll man. With every year that passes there is less of a chance he goes to the NBA. He just turned 29 and I believe he has a contract with Barcelona for at least another year.
PF: Bojan Dubljevic - really skilled 24 year old PF, whose rights belong to the Wolves but according to @tremonthustler1 he has several more years on his contract. He reminds me a little of Mirotic but he is less of a gunner and much more of an interior bruiser.
SF: Tomas Satoransky - I know he plays PG but he is 6'7 and probably would be a wing in the NBA. Good athlete and just makes big plays on offense. His jump shot has gotten a little more consistent every year as well. He is only 24 still.
SG: Alexey Shved - like I said the wings are pretty thin. Shved is a terrible defender but he is quick enough for the NBA and when he gets going can create his own and for others which isn't something you can say for a lot of people at the NBA level. I know it was the worst team in the NBA but he still put up pretty nice numbers on the Knicks. I do think he is getting payed better in russia than he would over here, plus he is at home and he is already 28 so I doubt he comes either.
PG: Errick McCollum - CJ's big brother has lead his team to the EuroCup finals. NOT quite as good of a shooter as CJ but how many people in the world are? Maybe 10? 20? He is also only about 6'1 but probably a better athlete than CJ is, I've seen him make some real highlight blocks and he has made several big shots this year. He is 28 now but I'm sure he'd love playing with his brother, the Blazers should give him a shot, they need a back up point unless I'm forgetting someone.
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You guys don't need them, if anything they'd just be stealing minutes from Gabriel and Adebayo and both those guys are better players. As long as no one in the SEC gets either one, you're good. The only issue I see is if Bolden helps Duke to the NT and y'all meet there but the chances of that are slim.
Do you play duke early in the non conference again?
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Lonnie Walker, Trae Young and Gary Trent are impressing so far in the first weekend of EYBL.
Michael Porter is playing well too
DeAndre Ayton has been a little disappointing although he has some monster games, and is being constantly doubled.
Michael Porter is playing well too
DeAndre Ayton has been a little disappointing although he has some monster games, and is being constantly doubled.
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Continuing to exhaust all possible pools of potential NBA talent. Here are my favorite D League prospects. The D League continues to be underwhelming and it will remain that way until the NBA makes some real reforms. The reason baseball minor leagues work so well in comparison is because there isn't much money to be earned playing pro baseball over seas (maybe in Japan? I'm no expert) but anyway there are a few guys that I think deserve to be in the NBA and are certainly superior to at least a couple dozen current NBA players. Obv there are draft picks that are stuck behind a few guys in rotation and are in the D League for that reason, I didn't really include those type of players. I'm a big fan of Delon Wright and Terry Rozier though. I'd certainly try to get them, if Raptors, Celics would trade them for a 2nd round pick and some cash or something if I was a team in need of guard depth. There is a premium on wings with size and skill nowadays so most of them are in the NBA. Rodney McGruder isn't that good and he is the one of the best d league players this year because of that deficit. But here is my 5+1 d league players that should be in NBA
Walter Tavares - I've been a big fan since I saw him last year in ACB play. He is huge and a dominant shot blocker, perfect skill set for today's spread pick n roll. Kind of reminds me of Boban mixed with Whiteside.
Jarnell Stokes - been dominanting D League for 2 years straight. Prob hasn't gotten a contract yet because he can't shoot or block shots plus most teams are going away from offensive rebounding in order to get back in transition better but he has excellent skill around the rim and is incredibly strong. If a guy can play, he can play.
Lorenzo Brown - I wasn't a huge fan when he was coming out of college but he has gotten better every year and is able to shoot the ball well, always has had good court vision and also is a sneaky good perimeter defender. Being between 6'4 and 6'6 somewhere, he can be a useful player.
Erick Green - like I said there is a real deficiency of big wings in the D League, and even in pro basketball outside the NBA period but there is no shortage of combo guards. I already mentioned Rozier and Delon Wright but Green is probably a better player right now than either one of them. He is 25 now so I don't think he gets much better as a player but he is just starting his prime basically. Even being a degenerate like me, I still don't consistently watch alot of d league games but I did watch most of the playoff games and he was averaging 37 a game, in extremely impressive fashion. Say what you want about the competition, that's still impressive.
Russ Smith - I've been on the bandwagon since Louisville won the NT. He is as fast with the ball as anyone in the NBA including the OTHER Russ, Wall etc. He is really skinny and only about 6 feet so that hurts him on defense. However, his PG skills were in doubt coming out of college but he lead the D League in assist percentage, I don't think he is going to do that in the NBA of course but he is better than several back up PGs on NBA rosters right now.
6th man/Honorable Mention:
Lucas Nogueira - I believe the Raptors have him under contract but he has good size, solid post skills and rim protection, pretty mobile and really underrated passer. Every time I've watched him play he has made at least a couple of really nice quick reads to open cutters, and he makes more than just the passes that are a part of the system that everyone can do. With bigs being good passer being so highly valued nowadays I think he deserves a shot. I think he is better than Felicio.
Walter Tavares - I've been a big fan since I saw him last year in ACB play. He is huge and a dominant shot blocker, perfect skill set for today's spread pick n roll. Kind of reminds me of Boban mixed with Whiteside.
Jarnell Stokes - been dominanting D League for 2 years straight. Prob hasn't gotten a contract yet because he can't shoot or block shots plus most teams are going away from offensive rebounding in order to get back in transition better but he has excellent skill around the rim and is incredibly strong. If a guy can play, he can play.
Lorenzo Brown - I wasn't a huge fan when he was coming out of college but he has gotten better every year and is able to shoot the ball well, always has had good court vision and also is a sneaky good perimeter defender. Being between 6'4 and 6'6 somewhere, he can be a useful player.
Erick Green - like I said there is a real deficiency of big wings in the D League, and even in pro basketball outside the NBA period but there is no shortage of combo guards. I already mentioned Rozier and Delon Wright but Green is probably a better player right now than either one of them. He is 25 now so I don't think he gets much better as a player but he is just starting his prime basically. Even being a degenerate like me, I still don't consistently watch alot of d league games but I did watch most of the playoff games and he was averaging 37 a game, in extremely impressive fashion. Say what you want about the competition, that's still impressive.
Russ Smith - I've been on the bandwagon since Louisville won the NT. He is as fast with the ball as anyone in the NBA including the OTHER Russ, Wall etc. He is really skinny and only about 6 feet so that hurts him on defense. However, his PG skills were in doubt coming out of college but he lead the D League in assist percentage, I don't think he is going to do that in the NBA of course but he is better than several back up PGs on NBA rosters right now.
6th man/Honorable Mention:
Lucas Nogueira - I believe the Raptors have him under contract but he has good size, solid post skills and rim protection, pretty mobile and really underrated passer. Every time I've watched him play he has made at least a couple of really nice quick reads to open cutters, and he makes more than just the passes that are a part of the system that everyone can do. With bigs being good passer being so highly valued nowadays I think he deserves a shot. I think he is better than Felicio.
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Mock draft tonight, complete first round.
I was waiting for the tiebreakers and coin flips.
I was waiting for the tiebreakers and coin flips.
Why is Green in the D-League? He seems like the best ALL AROUND re-bounder, scorer, and passer on good efficiency in the league. It also looks like he had a good stint with Denver last year.
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Good question. I think he is better than Gary Harris tbh at least offensively and Harris is pretty bad on ball defender so the difference isn't huge there either. So i dunno. Maybe some personal/off court issues?
Don't get me wrong btw, Harris is several years younger and has a higher ceiling but rn I honestly think Green is better. So I'm not sure why Green isn't on the team. The best guesses I have is off court issues and/or they felt he would develop better as a top option on a D League team as opposed to almost never playing when he was in the NBA
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Will be interested to see your order but I feel like not much has changed since the college season ended.
Only things thats left are the lottery/ work outs.
Most European leagues are in the playoffs but the ones that haven't been eliminated don't really have many draft prospects. Megs Leks (Luwawu's team) is in the Adriatic finals but I don't think they start until the end of April/start of May.