David Pick is A1 with international coverage. So this is real y'all
2016 NBA Draft and beyond (labelplant edition).. 4/4/16 UPDATE: 2017 Draft Big Board
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David Pick is A1 with international coverage. So this is real y'all
This locks him in as a top 3 pick
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He has potential for sure. He is the youngest player in this draft and really weak physically but all around game, versatility is there
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Ok now that the college season is over here is a top 20 for 2016 draft. This will be the final one until the lottery. After that I'll try to do a top 30 with team needs included.
1. Ben Simmons
2. Brandon Ingram
3. Dragan Bender - can't wait to see how he does in work outs. May have a chance to challenge for the number one spot. Porzingis' success helps his stock. Has played a little more minutes recently, jump shot is much more consistent, although he struggles with the physicality of grown men (nh)
Much like Porzingis people prob don't realize how good of a shot blocker he is. Not as big as Kris but quicker and already a better passer. Kris was certainly more NBA ready but Bender is a couple years younger and has similar potential.
4. Jamal Murray - averaging 20 ppg in SEC play for a coach Cal team was really impressive for an 18 year old but I worry about his length/explosiveness. Anunoby really gave him problems. And Jamal is really good ball handler and unselfish passer but he is NOT a PG. I dunno where that came from.
5. Kris Dunn - disappointing end to the season, still commits alot of horrible turnovers. His length and athletic ability should allow him to be a good defensive player but unless he goes to a team that gives him the ball on every play, he may struggle offensively. Similar to Winslow and Smart in that regard.
6. Buddy Hield - great tournament and I don't buy into his "poor" play against Villanova. They are great defensive team and had all eyes on him at all times, constant shading/strong side overload and faceguarding. He isn't gonna face that sort of stuff in the NBA. Should be able to contribute as at least a great shooter. I know he is a gym rat but he will be 23 in the start of next season so not sure how much Bette he will get but should be a nice 2nd/3rd option.
7. Jaylen Brown - not a great finish to the season but his ceiling is as high as anyone's in this draft. If he gets a consistent jumper watch out. May go higher as a lot of teams in the NBA nowadays feel like they can teach guys how to shoot as long as the player has the natural talent and right work ethic and attitude. I don't necessarily agree, not everyone is Kawhi, but there is some truth to that.
8. Jakob Poelt - will be interesting to see how he fits in today's NBA but he keeps improving and should be mobile enough to keep up.
9. Deyonta Davis - as I rewatched some Mich St games he really impressed me. Clearly has big time rim protector/small ball center potential and will be excellent rim running in small ball pick n roll. He is much stronger than he looks and has a great motor.
10. Domantas Sabonis - big time showing in the tournament, even with the loss to Syracuse. Was a little up and down earlier in the year but should be able to carve out a niche. Reminds me a little of Ed Davis w/o the shot blocking and I love Ed.
11. Denzel Valentine - I'm still a big fan but I hadn't realized how poor his defense is until rewatchin some Mich st games this week. I'd read several places that he is a good defender and of course the Danny Green comparison implies great defensive ability. From what I saw that couldn't be farther from the truth. I think outside of physique, complexion and prolific three point shooting those 2 have nothing in common actually. Green is a much better defender and athlete, while Valentine is a far superior passer and ball handler.
12. Furkan Korkmaz - I'm not sure why his stock is falling a bit on the draft sites. He has played a total of just 9 minutes in his last 3 games but he hasn't gotten PT all year. He plays on the team with the best record in the really tough Turkish League and he is still only 18, one of the 5 youngest prospects in this draft. However he is shooting close to 50% on threes this year with about 90 attempts so far and has shown in the past to be a capable play maker and very good athlete by European standards. He won the Turkish dunk contest, though more due to showmanship (he dressed as Darth Vader) than athletic ability. I've heard nothing but good things about his intangibles either.
13. Ivan Rabb
14. Brice Johnson - I think Johnson is easily better than Rabb right now and is probably one of the best players in this draft rn but I worry that the improvement he has shown this season is simply a product of age and experience. I think he is pretty close to his ceiling already and will prob be a solid NBA contributor but not much more
15. Thomas Bryant - not sure if he is entering. I hope he comes back so him and Anunoby can dominate the Big 10. Hopefully Troy Williams leaves and James Blackmon plays at least a little D and I'm a Hoosier fan next year.
16. Diamond Stone - that incident with the thot has me disappointed a bit so I had to drop him a few spots. Plus he completely didn't show up for the tourney. Needs to be more alot more assettive with his size and skills.
17. Timothe Luwawu - I made a post about him earlier in the thread. Is really helping his value this year. Lead his team to the finals in the Adriatic league. Someone made the Thabo comparison which I like but from what I gather Luwawu will l probably be a more consistent shooter but not as good defensively.
18. Chinanu Onuaku - not sure he is entering but I don't understand why he doesn't get more hype on the mocks. He is younger than alot of freshmen and is already as dominant as it gets defensively at the college level. He makes a lot of boneheaded plays but I think that will decrease as he matures. Plus he shoots his FTs underhand, we need someone in the NBA who does that.
19. Mikal Bridges - I would've had OG Anunoby here but he said he is coming back for one more year
Which I think is the right decision. I doubt Bridges is entering either but he hasn't said he isn't, so I wanted to shine a light on his play a bit. He is just a dangerous of a defender as OG and has similar length and athletic ability. His shooting is inconsistent but most young guys have that issue. I think he can certainly be a lottery player down the line if he improves his perimeter skills enough.
20. Ante Zizic - I've said before this is a weaker draft I think it actually looks a little better now than it did before the year started. Guys like Valentine and Hield emerging. Still it was tough coming up with 20 good prospects, especially looking at the college players at this point of the Big board. So i decided to put a Euro on here, but even than I think guys like Jeanne and Zubac wait another year so I put Zizic. He has been getting scouted for a while now and is a pretty solid center in Europe already at a young age. I'm not super high on him but at this point he'd probably be the best choice.
1. Ben Simmons
2. Brandon Ingram
3. Dragan Bender - can't wait to see how he does in work outs. May have a chance to challenge for the number one spot. Porzingis' success helps his stock. Has played a little more minutes recently, jump shot is much more consistent, although he struggles with the physicality of grown men (nh)
Much like Porzingis people prob don't realize how good of a shot blocker he is. Not as big as Kris but quicker and already a better passer. Kris was certainly more NBA ready but Bender is a couple years younger and has similar potential.
4. Jamal Murray - averaging 20 ppg in SEC play for a coach Cal team was really impressive for an 18 year old but I worry about his length/explosiveness. Anunoby really gave him problems. And Jamal is really good ball handler and unselfish passer but he is NOT a PG. I dunno where that came from.
5. Kris Dunn - disappointing end to the season, still commits alot of horrible turnovers. His length and athletic ability should allow him to be a good defensive player but unless he goes to a team that gives him the ball on every play, he may struggle offensively. Similar to Winslow and Smart in that regard.
6. Buddy Hield - great tournament and I don't buy into his "poor" play against Villanova. They are great defensive team and had all eyes on him at all times, constant shading/strong side overload and faceguarding. He isn't gonna face that sort of stuff in the NBA. Should be able to contribute as at least a great shooter. I know he is a gym rat but he will be 23 in the start of next season so not sure how much Bette he will get but should be a nice 2nd/3rd option.
7. Jaylen Brown - not a great finish to the season but his ceiling is as high as anyone's in this draft. If he gets a consistent jumper watch out. May go higher as a lot of teams in the NBA nowadays feel like they can teach guys how to shoot as long as the player has the natural talent and right work ethic and attitude. I don't necessarily agree, not everyone is Kawhi, but there is some truth to that.
8. Jakob Poelt - will be interesting to see how he fits in today's NBA but he keeps improving and should be mobile enough to keep up.
9. Deyonta Davis - as I rewatched some Mich St games he really impressed me. Clearly has big time rim protector/small ball center potential and will be excellent rim running in small ball pick n roll. He is much stronger than he looks and has a great motor.
10. Domantas Sabonis - big time showing in the tournament, even with the loss to Syracuse. Was a little up and down earlier in the year but should be able to carve out a niche. Reminds me a little of Ed Davis w/o the shot blocking and I love Ed.
11. Denzel Valentine - I'm still a big fan but I hadn't realized how poor his defense is until rewatchin some Mich st games this week. I'd read several places that he is a good defender and of course the Danny Green comparison implies great defensive ability. From what I saw that couldn't be farther from the truth. I think outside of physique, complexion and prolific three point shooting those 2 have nothing in common actually. Green is a much better defender and athlete, while Valentine is a far superior passer and ball handler.
12. Furkan Korkmaz - I'm not sure why his stock is falling a bit on the draft sites. He has played a total of just 9 minutes in his last 3 games but he hasn't gotten PT all year. He plays on the team with the best record in the really tough Turkish League and he is still only 18, one of the 5 youngest prospects in this draft. However he is shooting close to 50% on threes this year with about 90 attempts so far and has shown in the past to be a capable play maker and very good athlete by European standards. He won the Turkish dunk contest, though more due to showmanship (he dressed as Darth Vader) than athletic ability. I've heard nothing but good things about his intangibles either.
13. Ivan Rabb
14. Brice Johnson - I think Johnson is easily better than Rabb right now and is probably one of the best players in this draft rn but I worry that the improvement he has shown this season is simply a product of age and experience. I think he is pretty close to his ceiling already and will prob be a solid NBA contributor but not much more
15. Thomas Bryant - not sure if he is entering. I hope he comes back so him and Anunoby can dominate the Big 10. Hopefully Troy Williams leaves and James Blackmon plays at least a little D and I'm a Hoosier fan next year.
16. Diamond Stone - that incident with the thot has me disappointed a bit so I had to drop him a few spots. Plus he completely didn't show up for the tourney. Needs to be more alot more assettive with his size and skills.
17. Timothe Luwawu - I made a post about him earlier in the thread. Is really helping his value this year. Lead his team to the finals in the Adriatic league. Someone made the Thabo comparison which I like but from what I gather Luwawu will l probably be a more consistent shooter but not as good defensively.
18. Chinanu Onuaku - not sure he is entering but I don't understand why he doesn't get more hype on the mocks. He is younger than alot of freshmen and is already as dominant as it gets defensively at the college level. He makes a lot of boneheaded plays but I think that will decrease as he matures. Plus he shoots his FTs underhand, we need someone in the NBA who does that.
19. Mikal Bridges - I would've had OG Anunoby here but he said he is coming back for one more year
Which I think is the right decision. I doubt Bridges is entering either but he hasn't said he isn't, so I wanted to shine a light on his play a bit. He is just a dangerous of a defender as OG and has similar length and athletic ability. His shooting is inconsistent but most young guys have that issue. I think he can certainly be a lottery player down the line if he improves his perimeter skills enough.
20. Ante Zizic - I've said before this is a weaker draft I think it actually looks a little better now than it did before the year started. Guys like Valentine and Hield emerging. Still it was tough coming up with 20 good prospects, especially looking at the college players at this point of the Big board. So i decided to put a Euro on here, but even than I think guys like Jeanne and Zubac wait another year so I put Zizic. He has been getting scouted for a while now and is a pretty solid center in Europe already at a young age. I'm not super high on him but at this point he'd probably be the best choice.
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Youre talking about the Hoop Summit scrimmage
Looking at the rosters the US team should dominate. DeAndre Ayton will prob have a big game for the world team though.
Here's what my top 20 is looking like right now
1. Brandon Ingram
2. Ben Simmons
3. Kris Dunn
4. Dragan Bender
5. Jamal Murray
6. Furkan Korkmaz
7. Jaylen Brown
8. Buddy Hield
9. Domantas Sabonis
10. Jakob Poeltl
11. Ivan Rabb
12. Malik Beasley
13. Diamond Stone
14. Dejounte Murray
15. Demetrius Jackson
16. Henry Ellenson
17. Brice Johnson
18. Tyler Ulis
19. Denzel Valentine
20. Taurean Prince
There's a few guys who will likely squeeze in closer to draft time, and some others that I haven't watched enough games of yet.
I'd definitely have LeVert in here if it wasn't for the injuries, I'm pretty sure I read Thomas Bryant is returning (
) so I didn't include him.
There's a lot of second round guys that I like a lot too who I think could end up being steals.
1. Brandon Ingram
2. Ben Simmons
3. Kris Dunn
4. Dragan Bender
5. Jamal Murray
6. Furkan Korkmaz
7. Jaylen Brown
8. Buddy Hield
9. Domantas Sabonis
10. Jakob Poeltl
11. Ivan Rabb
12. Malik Beasley
13. Diamond Stone
14. Dejounte Murray
15. Demetrius Jackson
16. Henry Ellenson
17. Brice Johnson
18. Tyler Ulis
19. Denzel Valentine
20. Taurean Prince
There's a few guys who will likely squeeze in closer to draft time, and some others that I haven't watched enough games of yet.
I'd definitely have LeVert in here if it wasn't for the injuries, I'm pretty sure I read Thomas Bryant is returning (
) so I didn't include him.There's a lot of second round guys that I like a lot too who I think could end up being steals.
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people keep talking bout next year's draft being loaded, but it's really only top heavy from picks 1-10 or so. After that, it will fall off. This draft's top isn't that great outside of ingram and simmons, but will be super deep just with the sheer number of guys I think will stay in. There will probably be 30-40 guys thinking they'll get picked in the 20-30 range. Alot of them will get pushed to the 2nd round. I actually think grayson allen may be doing the smart thing going back to school. He could definitely vie for a pick in the 14-20 range in 2017 rather than 25-30 in this year's draft.
I don't see the similarities between the two but people like making the comparison for some reason.
I haven't seen him play, but some scouting reports has him as a comparison.
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I disagree the 2017 freshman class has 20-25 guys that are potential lottery picks. Than there is Jeanne, Zubac, Ntilikina, Hartenstein etc as far as international guys. And of course Allen returning, Anunoby returning, Thomas Bryant may be returning, mikal bridges prob returning, Onuaku may be returning. Plus there is guys like Malik Pope or Carlton Bragg that may have break out seasons. Next year is totally loaded every body with a first round pick will prob get a quality player.
I actually don't think it's top heavy either, Tatum, Jackson etc will be very good players but I'm not sure any of them are superstars in the Durant, LeBron level. Brow and Karl Towns will prob be the best players of the future generation
Th draft that may have a couple superstars but not much depth is 2018 with Ayton, Porter and Carter but not much more after them. Than 2019 there is Marvin Bagley. Of course it's too early to speak on all this but that's my outlook for now
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I dunno, the class is clearly talented, but i just don't think that many of them will come out or be put in positions to solidify their stock. Clear OAD to me in tier 1 are tatum, giles, jackson, fox, monk, smith. Possibles are guys like isaac, adebayo, ball, fultz, jackson, and bridges in tier 2. Tier 3 and beyond is up for grabs for this class with guys like alkins, leaf, simmons, ferguson, bolden. Very deep no doubt, but most of these guys are going to need 2 years. All allen has to do is prove he can mix up his handle and diversify his mid range and he could easily find himself in the lotto. Oh, and thomas bryant has already said that he's returning. I'd be surprised if bridges or onuaku come out. Malik pope will be exposed again next season. Bragg and azubuike will get minutes with ellis, traylor, and presumably diallo gone, I just don't know if he'll produce with self running the show. Gonna have to see anunoby do it for an entire year, but I really like him.