Bleedin Gums Murphy
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Wait a minute!!
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How the fukk did ‘06 Dwyane Wade make the semis?
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How the fukk did ‘06 Dwyane Wade make the semis?
2016 LeBron beats out 1993 MJ in poll for Greatest Finals MVP
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When you play 100 years that’s what happens
A 5th option compared to a #1 overall pick who won ROY and has scored 50 on multiple occasions. If MJ had “plenty” of offensive options, what did Bron have?
2016 Finals Bron had literally no offensive options besides Kyrie and JR. Concussed Love was horrible. TT couldn't score anything other than putbacks and easy feeds for dunks. Jefferson made nothing other than cuts to the basket on blown assignments. Shump, Delly, and Mo missed every shot they took (combined 29.6% FG and 6-26 from 3pt).
1993 Finals Jordan had Pippen, Grant, and B.J. all reliably in double-figures and hit 20+ on occasion, and the rest of the team was 12-17 (71%) from 3pt, mostly due to Paxson.
But why is "never lost in the finals" a pro?
Is your argument really that MJ had more offensive help than LeBron? I don’t care how Love played in the Finals. He was a 3x AS who peaked at 26 and 13 BEFORE arriving in Cleveland. You even brought up him being concussed. The only player MJ ever played with who averaged 20ppg during their run was Pippen, and Pippen’s peak was at 22ppg…the year MJ was retired.
This is why you don't sound like a serious person.
Love got concussed in Game 2. From that point on, he averaged 6ppg on 33% shooting (21% from 3pt). Why the fukk does it matter what he did years earlier? He was USELESS in that series post-concussion.
Love did not provide any offensive help whatsoever in the 2016 Finals. He shot a combined 5-17 for 18 points TOTAL in their four wins that series. Barely 1 made shot per win. You're literally posting based off of the names on the paper without even knowing what was going on in that series.
FunkDoc1112
Heavily Armed
It's like them dumb nikkas that bring up Ray Allen being on the Heat (not just the shot) like it was Milwaukee/Seattle Ray
LEBRON PLAYED WITH HOF SHAQ ON THE CAVS AND STILL LOST IN THE PLAYOFFSIt's like them dumb nikkas that bring up Ray Allen being on the Heat (not just the shot) like it was Milwaukee/Seattle Ray
You only focused on one series. Compare Kevin Love’s resume and stats to Horace Grant without the championships. How many times has Horace, BJ or any of these role players on the Bulls been the man on their own team? Kevin Love was trade for the #1 overall pick. Who trades the top pick in the draft for a role player?
It's like them dumb nikkas that bring up Ray Allen being on the Heat (not just the shot) like it was Milwaukee/Seattle Ray
So Kevin Love fresh off an all star berth and 26 years of age when he came to the Cavs is the same situation as old ass Shaq on the Cavs or past his prime Ray on Miami?
murksiderock
Superstar
fukk Magic, Mike on the same LeBron teams isn't making The Finals any year he doesn't have a Pippen-ish teammate...Just total nonsense. Beating the 2018 Celtics doesn't automatically mean you can beat the 2018 Warriors too. There's no correlation there at all.
By your logic, any "All-time Great" should have won at least 6 of Bron's Finals appearances. Well, Magic Johnson is an all-time great, right? So tell me, if you replace LeBron with Magic, how many of the following years does he win?
2007
2011
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
2017
2018
2020
I'll be waiting for an objective answer.
So Mike isnt even in The Finals in 2007 or 2018. We know this is true because he never made a Finals run without a Top 5-ish teammate...
Give Mike the 3peat, 2011, 2012, 2013, as theres nothing to suggest he chokes like Bron in '11...
In place of Bron on the '14 Heat, he's not beating the '14 Spurs, so there goes the perfect Finals record. He's 3-1, and that's assuming he gets there as Wade was no longer a Top 5 player and Bosh was useless...
I could make the case that woth LeBron's career Mike only makes 4 Finals, in '11, '12, '13, and '20. And he's probably 4-0, but its the same number of titles in the same length of career as Bron with the same teams Bron was on, except Mike would more rarely drive championship contention...
There is zero evidence Mike is coming back from a 1-3 deficit, zero evidence he beats any team as great as his '96 Bulls (the 16-18 Dubs), zero evidence he can will a Finals run without a Top 5-ish, Top 10 running mate...
Mike with the same career is almost assuredly less accomplished than LeBron. LeBron with Mike's career is more accomplished, he gets a Finals run with one of those Bulls teams before Pippen matures. He doesn't leave to take a gambling break. Bron with those exact same squads isn't losing, we could hypothetically say there's one "choke year" in there, but he still 5-1 at worst vs MJ opponents, and still gets to more Finals given we know he drive title contention more often and he doesn't take a retirement break...
Bron got to 7 Finals in his first 13 years, compared to 6 for Mike; Mike got to 6 in 15 years, Bron went 9 Finals in his first 15 years...
Bron with Mike's 15-year career is probably 7-2 in Finals and the consensus GOAT by a wider margin than Mike with Mike's 15 year career
he wins more championships AND plays in more Finals...That happened in Y13, same stage of career as '98 Jordan...
Yall gotta get off this "played forever" thing. Everything that made Bron the GOAT was accomplished in his youth...
Even tho they loss. 2015 Bron was unreal too.
I see why I don't post in here anymore. I'm going back to The Ring to discuss boxing, where it's safe. 
2015 Bron had back issues that were really messing with his jump shot in the postseason, on top of the fatigue of carrying the team. Other than that he was just as good as 2016 Bron, but the lack of a shot in that run holds him back.