2016 LeBron beats out 1993 MJ in poll for Greatest Finals MVP

[Left.A1]

Either way they much better than any team Jordan ever faced in the finals , stop acting like you splitting hairs is making this great point , it isn’t

Well yeah nikka Jordan didn't play any squad better than his because he was actually leading the best team himself .... I'm supposed to penalize Jordan for being the focal point of the team that was the cream of the crop during his era this is your "great point"

 

[skylove4]

Love Brons poise to come back 3-1 but a great should have never been in that position to begin with. I'm not going to knock another man's performance because he didn't put his team in a hole losing 3 out of the first 4 games

So Jordan should have went to the finals every year he played and won with this logic. It’s a team sport bruh

 

[Left.A1]

So Jordan should have went to the finals every year he played and won with this logic. It’s a team sport bruh

Then why the fukk are we talking about a poll centered around individual performance instead of team performance yall nikkas gotta do better

 

[Harry B]

Not a big surprise, the team he beat was seen as unbeatable and played really well. And they had no problems like Lakers internal beefs vs Detroit

 

[Rell84shots]

Well yeah nikka Jordan didn't play any squad better than his because he was actually leading the best team himself .... I'm supposed to penalize Jordan for being the focal point of the team that was the cream of the crop during his era this is your "great point"

That's what these people don't seem to understand. They talk about MJ not facing a team like the Warriors in the finals, and they completely ignore that the Bulls were that team. The real story would be the Suns, Jazz, or Sonics beating those Bulls teams.

 

[Rell84shots]

Scottie in 1993 finals: 21/9/8 while being the best defender on the floor
Kyrie in 2016 finals: 27/4/4


And Jordan faced shyt comp

Half the players on the NBA 75 don't have rings because of MJ

 

[Roland Coltrane]

ESPN desperate for clicks

still using the Jordan name even though he retired 20 years ago and is still considered the goat and always will be.

even when they did the players poll he was despite so many of those guys being signed to Klutch. This is a non story

this is all to drive engagement because this Finals series is effectively over

plus nobody watches baseball highlights

and with much of the Olympics content being on Peacock they got nothing for anybody to give a shyt about

 

[Shadow King]

fukk Magic, Mike on the same LeBron teams isn't making The Finals any year he doesn't have a Pippen-ish teammate...

So Mike isnt even in The Finals in 2007 or 2018. We know this is true because he never made a Finals run without a Top 5-ish teammate...

Give Mike the 3peat, 2011, 2012, 2013, as theres nothing to suggest he chokes like Bron in '11...

In place of Bron on the '14 Heat, he's not beating the '14 Spurs, so there goes the perfect Finals record. He's 3-1, and that's assuming he gets there as Wade was no longer a Top 5 player and Bosh was useless...

I could make the case that woth LeBron's career Mike only makes 4 Finals, in '11, '12, '13, and '20. And he's probably 4-0, but its the same number of titles in the same length of career as Bron with the same teams Bron was on, except Mike would more rarely drive championship contention...

There is zero evidence Mike is coming back from a 1-3 deficit, zero evidence he beats any team as great as his '96 Bulls (the 16-18 Dubs), zero evidence he can will a Finals run without a Top 5-ish, Top 10 running mate...

Mike with the same career is almost assuredly less accomplished than LeBron. LeBron with Mike's career is more accomplished, he gets a Finals run with one of those Bulls teams before Pippen matures. He doesn't leave to take a gambling break. Bron with those exact same squads isn't losing, we could hypothetically say there's one "choke year" in there, but he still 5-1 at worst vs MJ opponents, and still gets to more Finals given we know he drive title contention more often and he doesn't take a retirement break...

Bron got to 7 Finals in his first 13 years, compared to 6 for Mike; Mike got to 6 in 15 years, Bron went 9 Finals in his first 15 years...

Bron with Mike's 15-year career is probably 7-2 in Finals and the consensus GOAT by a wider margin than Mike with Mike's 15 year career he wins more championships AND plays in more Finals...

That happened in Y13, same stage of career as '98 Jordan...

Yall gotta get off this "played forever" thing. Everything that made Bron the GOAT was accomplished in his youth...

Mike isn't filling the PF/C void Bosh left against Indy and Boston to get to 2012 Finals...

And I have to disagree with not making a Finals between '15-17.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

pippen wasn’t an all star in ‘91 or ‘98

You aren’t top 5 in the nba if you don’t even make the all star team.

Y’all tryin too hard to discredit jordan. Kyrie put up #1 option #’s & was killin klay in the finals ,dropped 40 in game 5.jordan literally never had that type of offensive production at any point in any playoff game. Wade also dropped 40 ,ad dropped 40 lebron has had better teammates and still couldn’t win more championships

Should be noted that Kyrie didn't make the all star team in 2016.

And if we're truly comparing teammate importance.

Kyrie averaged 27/4/4/2
Pippen averaged 21/97/2 and that's while locking down 5 time NBA champ Magic Johnson.


It can be argued Pippen had the better series. Although to be fair that Bron led Cavs team beat a far superior Warriors team.

 

[Dr. Narcisse]

I still don't think people understand the dip in quality of basketball from the early 90s to the late 90s. It does make that 98 finals by Jordan that much more impressive. However, Bulls were scoring just 88 points a game in the finals.

It was ugly ugly basketball Utah averaged just 80. Yes thats incredible defense by the Bulls. However, that's also the Jazz having no one who can really get a bucket except Malone.

 

[feelosofer]

Just because LeBron got voted the best Finals MVP of all time does not diminish Jordan. LeBron helped Cleveland win their first ring against an All-Time Warriors squad.

 

[Gotright]

Then why the fukk are we talking about a poll centered around individual performance instead of team performance yall nikkas gotta do better

The thread is a finals mvp. Only one person can win the award. You said a great shouldn’t be in that position of being down 3-1. Can you figure out the rest?

 

[Left.A1]

The thread is a finals mvp. Only one person can win the award. You said a great shouldn’t be in that position of being down 3-1. Can you figure out the rest?

And the award evaluates overall performance including record which is why only 1 LOSER has ever won the award. Do YOU comprehend now or do you need it broken down even more to digest let me know