2015 NBA Draft Lottery Thread

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I'm thinking your reading to much into it Mudiay would need to jump both Okafor and Russell...Have his workouts been that good?

He's going to get Westbrook or Wall comparisons off the workout videos, just wait.

I'll be so happy if this happens. I think Mudiay will be to Westbrook and Wall, what Nikoloz Tskitishvilli was to Dirk and Pau.
Mudiay’s decision to skip the draft combine didn’t sit well with many NBA scouts since that venue would have been the first opportunity for many around the league to see him perform live, Ford writes. His absence at that showcase has impacted his draft stock a bit, with more than one GM asking how they could be expected to rank Mudiay higher than Ohio State’s D’Angelo Russell, when Russell has done more to prove himself worthy of being a top three pick, the ESPN scribe relays. The young guard is not without his supporters, and a number of scouts have him ranked as the second best player in the draft behind Karl-Anthony Towns. One such scout told Ford, “Mudiay was regarded by everyone as a much better prospect than Russell this time last year. Russell went to Ohio State, was put into a lead role on a high-profile team, and wowed us. He’s improved and we all saw it. But I suspect Mudiay improved too and we just didn’t see it. We’re judging Russell now versus Mudiay one year ago. This is such a huge developmental time for everyone; I suspect he’s gotten better. When teams in the top five see him in workouts, their decision will get much harder.

A number of NBA scouts have compared Mudiay’s game and upside to that of Derrick Rose, Russell Westbrook and John Wall, while some scouts who were less enamored with him used Tyreke Evans as a template for what teams can expect from Mudiay. If he can come close to the production of any of those named players, then Mudiay will certainly be worth nabbing in the draft lottery. He’ll likely be the second guard off the board behind Russell, and should hear commissioner Adam Silver intone his name sometime during the first five picks on draft night.
:lupe: Its a perimeter game now, just look at the playoff teams from this season, and Lakers draft star wing players compared to big men in their history. I wouldn't be against it, but if Towns is there at 2, Lakers will take him easily. If Towns gets taken at 1 though, and its between Jahlil & Mudiay, I won't be opposed to taking Mudiay imo. :francis: The draft can't come soon enough. Plus The Logo Jerry West was at his private workout and was impressed too.
 

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:lupe: Its a perimeter game now, just look at the playoff teams from this season, and Lakers draft star wing players compared to big men in their history. I wouldn't be against it, but if Towns is there at 2, Lakers will take him easily. If Towns gets taken at 1 though, and its between Jahlil & Mudiay, I won't be opposed to taking Mudiay imo. :francis: The draft can't come soon enough. Plus The Logo Jerry West was at his private workout and was impressed too.


I'll never disagree with anything Jerry West says about basketball, even if it goes against my own opinion but doesnt West work for the Warriors now? Also, ya I haven't seen Mudiay play in the past year but I was soooo unimpressed with him in HS that I'm not buying his stock unless I hear something radical. I didn't see him play in China but plenty people that evaluate the draft have(like draftexpress for example). If he would've taken a major step forward, we would have heard about it but for now he is pretty much improving but only as most players his age do, not at the rate he should be if he is gonna live up to the hype. The guy was just so far from being a great D1 player in HS,let alone an NBA star.
 
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:lupe: Its a perimeter game now, just look at the playoff teams from this season, and Lakers draft star wing players compared to big men in their history. I wouldn't be against it, but if Towns is there at 2, Lakers will take him easily. If Towns gets taken at 1 though, and its between Jahlil & Mudiay, I won't be opposed to taking Mudiay imo. :francis: The draft can't come soon enough. Plus The Logo Jerry West was at his private workout and was impressed too.


It's only a perimeter game because we haven't seen a generational post player since Duncan, when another one comes along it will be very hard to defend him because of all the shooting. Imagine how dangerous the Rockets would be if Howard could legit score 25-28ppg against a solid defender.
 

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It's only a perimeter game because we haven't seen a generational post player since Duncan, when another one comes along it will be very hard to defend him because of all the shooting. Imagine how dangerous the Rockets would be if Howard could legit score 25-28ppg against a solid defender.
:francis: Problem is there won't be another Duncan ever though more than likely, just like there won't be another Jordan. AD is the best big men to come out since Duncan, but his game as of now is more of a KG type of face up game compared to Duncan's classic back to the basket game. AD can still develop an elite post up game if he wants later on. Spacing is the biggest must have now in basketball so much that you can't even play two prototypical big men together anymore without it being spacing death. Just imagine if AD had more outside shooters, the league is his for the taking. If you want to post up in today's NBA, you better be really good passing out of double teams like Marc Gasol or you are blackhole status like Big Al, Pek, etc. And if you don't have a post up game, you better be a defensive anchor or a good pick n roll defender like Howard, Bogut, Jordan, Noah, etc or you are worthless. It takes too many variables for there to be another Duncan, especially with today's schemes and defenses that would prefer iso post ups from big men because it kills ball movement and you can take advantage of big men out in transition immediately after a miss. With the way the NBA is shaping, I highly doubt there is going to be another Duncan, unless Jahlil miraculously becomes an elite defender and MVP that nobody is aware of.
 

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:francis: Problem is there won't be another Duncan ever though more than likely, just like there won't be another Jordan. AD is the best big men to come out since Duncan, but his game as of now is more of a KG type of face up game compared to Duncan's classic back to the basket game. AD can still develop an elite post up game if he wants later on. Spacing is the biggest must have now in basketball so much that you can't even play two prototypical big men together anymore without it being spacing death. Just imagine if AD had more outside shooters, the league is his for the taking. If you want to post up in today's NBA, you better be really good passing out of double teams like Marc Gasol or you are blackhole status like Big Al, Pek, etc. And if you don't have a post up game, you better be a defensive anchor or a good pick n roll defender like Howard, Bogut, Jordan, Noah, etc or you are worthless. It takes too many variables for there to be another Duncan, especially with today's schemes and defenses that would prefer iso post ups from big men because it kills ball movement and you can take advantage of big men out in transition immediately after a miss. With the way the NBA is shaping, I highly doubt there is going to be another Duncan, unless Jahlil miraculously becomes an elite defender and MVP that nobody is aware of.


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There won't be another Duncan, but there will be another generational post player soon, evolution demands it. The spacing of the game will naturally just lead to someone being a monster on the block again, like the older Gawds used to be, back during the long long ago. We will see someone that is special on the low block again, I don't know where they're going to come from, part of me thinks Europe, another part of me is hoping he's already here and will be playing Summer league next month.





Think of it breh, a team with a post player, a PG that can hit the 3, and 3 other guys on the floor that can also hit the 3. How do you defend the guy in the post?
 

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:lupe: Its a perimeter game now, just look at the playoff teams from this season, and Lakers draft star wing players compared to big men in their history. I wouldn't be against it, but if Towns is there at 2, Lakers will take him easily. If Towns gets taken at 1 though, and its between Jahlil & Mudiay, I won't be opposed to taking Mudiay imo. :francis: The draft can't come soon enough. Plus The Logo Jerry West was at his private workout and was impressed too.

I think it's between Russell and Jahlil at 2. Russell has elite vision while being a 40% 3pt shooter.
 

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There won't be another Duncan, but there will be another generational post player soon, evolution demands it. The spacing of the game will naturally just lead to someone being a monster on the block again, like the older Gawds used to be, back during the long long ago. We will see someone that is special on the low block again, I don't know where they're going to come from, part of me thinks Europe, another part of me is hoping he's already here and will be playing Summer league next month.





Think of it breh, a team with a post player, a PG that can hit the 3, and 3 other guys on the floor that can also hit the 3. How do you defend the guy in the post?

:ld:The evolution of big men seems to be bigs that can stretch the floor rather than post up, wouldn't the next evolution be bigs that could consistently hit 3's next and get even further away from the post? Especially once the next era of big men take to Anthony Davis' game, especially his off the dribble game on slow big men that can't keep in front of him. :snoop: Joel been out the game so long I can't believe I forgot about him. If the Sixers take Russell, all they need is nothing but shooters and develop more 3 & D players like Covington, than AD might have a challenger for his best big man crown in Joel. I'm just wondering if they would ship out Noel or not. Joel & Noel don't look like there games will fit offensively. :damn: Blame KG for influencing these era of big men of wanting to be on the perimeter than wanting to be Duncan and not wanting to bang down low and avoiding contact. If you go by the evolution of bigs going away from the basket, there might be a better chance we see a 7 foot Steve Nash type of great big man shooter than another big that could ever do what Duncan can. Just look at the greatest big men in recent history, with Duncan, Hakeem, & Shaq in any order, there is a huge drop from that trio to there counter parts with no big men coming close to being anywhere on their level since the turn of the century and currently in basketball as well.
 

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Lakers better not take Mudiay I would be legit pissed off.

I think it's between Russell and Jahlil at 2. Russell has elite vision while being a 40% 3pt shooter.
:lupe: Lakers need big men help ASAP, but if Towns is taken, which is more likely, than its open field on who to take imo. People probably think Mudiay is getting that same hype Exum was getting last year, but the Lakers are probably thinking that Mudiay might have the highest ceiling out of anyone outside of Towns. Russell can shoot, but he lack athleticism which may hinder what type of ceiling he could reach and he doesn't look like he will be much of a defender in the pro's unless he is on the right team (Philly). Jahlil gots the post up game down and is really good at passing out of double teams, but struggles on defense, especially 1 on 1 and nobody is sure how he can stretch the floor. Mudiay hasn't gone against college players and has no tape, but he has the athleticism and measurables that can make him a plus on both ends of the floor. He doesn't have Westbrook level of athleticism, the standard barrier for PG athleticism in NBA history, but if the Lakers take him, I won't be too mad imo. I'm sure Lakers will be taking a big man at the end of the day.
 

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:ld:The evolution of big men seems to be bigs that can stretch the floor rather than post up, wouldn't the next evolution be bigs that could consistently hit 3's next and get even further away from the post? Especially once the next era of big men take to Anthony Davis' game, especially his off the dribble game on slow big men that can't keep in front of him. :snoop: Joel been out the game so long I can't believe I forgot about him. If the Sixers take Russell, all they need is nothing but shooters and develop more 3 & D players like Covington, than AD might have a challenger for his best big man crown in Joel. I'm just wondering if they would ship out Noel or not. Joel & Noel don't look like there games will fit offensively. :damn: Blame KG for influencing these era of big men of wanting to be on the perimeter than wanting to be Duncan and not wanting to bang down low and avoiding contact. If you go by the evolution of bigs going away from the basket, there might be a better chance we see a 7 foot Steve Nash type of great big man shooter than another big that could ever do what Duncan can. Just look at the greatest big men in recent history, with Duncan, Hakeem, & Shaq in any order, there is a huge drop from that trio to there counter parts with no big men coming close to being anywhere on their level since the turn of the century and currently in basketball as well.

I think that's a somewhat unfair comparison. I could easily say the same thing about no wings being on Jordan, Bron, or Kobe's level. All the players we've mentioned are all time talents. But just as there's been other potential HOF wing talent(McGrady, Melo, etc), there's also been centers like Bynum and Yao that had HOF talent but didn't put it all together due to injuries or other factors. I think it is harder for a true center to develop than any other position, but it's not impossible.
 

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Russell can shoot, but he lack athleticism which may hinder what type of ceiling he could reach and he doesn't look like he will be much of a defender in the pro's unless he is on the right team (Philly).

If you're a point guard in 2015, you shouldn't be knocked for defense. Russell plays the game better than Mudiay, period. I don't think Mudiay will learn to shoot either.
 

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If you're a point guard in 2015, you shouldn't be knocked for defense.

But you should be knocked for an inability to penetrate and finish.

Mudiay will simply run better offense and put pressure on the rim.
 

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Russell's never had a problem penetrating or finishing because his ability to shoot keeps defenders on their toes. Oftentimes when you're a good shooter you get driving lanes as a result of that. :francis:

Russell's ability to a run an offense is to be seen since he played SG, but driving is not the concern for him. The only thing Mudiay has on him is athleticism, which is big, but Russell is the better basketball player and that usually sticks. Mudiay is more of a John Wall type player, who will roam the court and look for opportunities the pass, but without a consistent jumper you'll find that he'll spend a lot of time on offense wasting energy trying to create passing lanes and having the ball stick to his hands. Point guards who can't shoot generally have this problem because they can't open up the defense with the jumper. From what I've seen from Mudiay he doesn't even attempt to shoot unless it's off the PnR, and that's barely :leostare:
 
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